On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 02:38:35PM -0400, Ryan Bloom wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 02:15:43PM -0400, Ryan Bloom wrote: > > > > Just to clarify, by "we" I meant the voting majority of the APR PMC > > > > (aparently only with the approval of the board), not the whims of > > > > the casual contributor. If this is indeed a paradigm shift, then I'm > > > > suggesting that we reexamine the charter.
Only the voting majority. The Board gave us a wide charter. Thus, the apr, apr-util, apr-iconv, and apr-serf projects *define* who we are, and what we want to do. Each of these are under the rubric of "portable" libraries. Either they engender portability (apr, apr-iconv), or they are inherently portable (apr-util, apr-serf). Thus, there is no paradigm shift or break at all. We have been defining who we are over the past couple years. What *is* broken is the text on the web page. It does not adequately express what APR is all about. > > > I'll tell you right now that I will strenuosly object to making APR the > > > kitchen sink of Apache libraries. I don't believe that we're being the kitchen sink. Again, we're only consider libraries that are portable [causing or using]. We're also trying to use, create, and maintain useful libraries. [ part of the question that Dirk has been raising is the "useful" part; I maintain that the question cannot be answered without the code being available ] > > > We are a portability project, which is > > > all the library was when I wrote it, and all I wish the project to be. If That's what *you* wanted Ryan. Tough luck, but there are more of us. And we have wanted it to be more, and it *is* more. > > > you want a library project, then create a new PMC please. I don't believe > > > that you can create such a charter that is well defined enough to be > > > useful. The charter from the Board has been quite adequate, and we have defined ourselves within that scope. >... > > I'm also saying that apr-util seems to have broken the charter, in a very Which charter? You've fallen in the FUD that the APR project is only about APR. It is about more than that, as I recently posted to the PMC list. Specifically, the Board chartered us to do the following: WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the Apache Portable Runtime (APR) products, for distribution at no charge to the public. (from the December, 2000 meeting minutes) > > subtle way. On the one hand, the types of things we have in there are > > Incredibly Useful. However, it seems that the pieces are only useful for > > very specific applications. El-Kabong is useful (although not immediately > > necessary) in the same sense as apr-util. I'm just saying we can't have > > it both ways. Of course we can. Our charter allows us to define our scope. I see that as focusing on "portable" libraries. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/