YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go. Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate apps.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhi...@microsoft.com> wrote: > I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by > whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not > be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been > quite significant in this area. > > At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps. > > -Nikhil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps > > I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app > that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good > example of a great Cordova App. > - remove the "add your app" > - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short > description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone > opposed with a -1 > - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the > goal > - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added. > > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > > Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points: > > - request detailed app descriptions from submitters > > - curate based on detailed criteria > > - curate based on loose criteria > > - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase > > - just accept all requests > > > > Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel > > like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that > > displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the > > easiest way to achieve this. > > > > Kindly, > > Dmitry > > > > > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: > > > > > > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers > > > build a > > better app“. > > > > > > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we > > > don’t > > need that. > > > > > > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or > > > mostly > > clean from any Framework. > > > > > > > > > Joerg > > > > > > > > >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com>: > > >> > > >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate > > that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree > > that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we > > fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng > > of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-) > > >> > > >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova > > >> committers > > to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I > > like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App > > developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but > > they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better > app. > > >> > > >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response: > > >> > > >> Must appear in a public store > > >> Must use Cordova > > >> Minimum 4 start rating > > >> Minimum 1,000 downloads > > >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which > > >> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used? > > >> – Which frameworks are used, if any? > > >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something > > >> about problems – Development environment and tools used > > >> > > >> Thoughts? > > >> rjs > > >> > > >> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio > > >> Tools for Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com > > >> 206 612 5079 mobile > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:h...@hamburg.de] > > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM > > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org > > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps > > >> > > >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different: > > >> > > >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure? > > >> > > >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads? > > >> > > >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not > > >> from > > the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has > > not to say why an app is good. > > >> > > >> > > >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for > > >> helping > > people and doing the small, but important, things. > > >> > > >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with > > >> Cordova > > don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason > > why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered. > > >> > > >> > > >> Jörg > > >> > > >> > > >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com > >: > > >>> > > >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the > > >>> page > > is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One > > perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast > > enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages. > > >>> > > >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things > > >>> > > >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like > one. > > >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing > > >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come > > >>> across, > > or would like to try. > > >>> > > >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I > > >>> fear > > that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It > > would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from > > these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for > > developers, nothing more. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the > > public: > > >>>> > > >>>> – Are complex apps working well? > > >>>> > > >>>> – How is an app exactly developed? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site > > >>>> has > > to tell details about the app. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> That means: > > >>>> > > >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about > > >>>> their > > solutions, for example: > > >>>> > > >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) > > >>>> > > >>>> – Which plugins are used? > > >>>> > > >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? > > >>>> > > >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … > > >>>> > > >>>> – Something about problems > > >>>> > > >>>> – Developing enviroment > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category > > (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with > > all apps on a second page. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> Joerg > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this. > > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&; > > >>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08 > > >>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j > > >>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions > > >>>>> a week, and someone has to look at > > them, > > >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android > > >>>>> apps, > > and there > > >>>>> are 24 apps per page. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? > > mature? > > >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted. > > >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to > > >>>>> have > > to do > > >>>>> this. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [1] > > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f > > >>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh > > >>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86 > > >>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf > > >>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> My team is hiring! > > >>>>> @purplecabbage > > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d > > >>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d > > >>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n > > >>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky < > > dblot...@microsoft.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here: > > >>>>>> - display policy > > >>>>>> - content policy > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content: > > >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display: > > >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools > > >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective > > >>>>>> lists > > >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics: > > >>>>>> - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR > > >>>>>> - pick arbitrarily at our discretion > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Kindly, > > >>>>>> Dmitry > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez < > > jcesarmob...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, > > >>>>>>> but we > > should > > >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like > > >>>>>> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0 > > 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7 > > c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs > > eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d > > , > > >>>>>> where we show "the best > > >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> +1 for curation. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, > yeah? > > Apps > > >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser > > >>>>>>>> (bows...@gmail.com) > > wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to > > >>>>>>>> make > > sure > > >>>>>> they're > > >>>>>>>> legit. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < > > >>>>>> dblot...@microsoft.com> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hey folks, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the > > showcase to > > >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app > > >>>>>>>>> store, > > but the > > >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Kindly, > > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > > >>>> h...@hamburg.de > > >>>> > > >>>> RELAUNCHED: > > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw > > >>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.co > > >>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0 > > >>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq > > >>>> g%3d > > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > >> > > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > > >> h...@hamburg.de > > >> > > >> RELAUNCHED: > > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww > > >> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c > > >> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47 > > >> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d > > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > > > h...@hamburg.de > > > > > > RELAUNCHED: > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww. > > > workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4 > > > e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c > > > 1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >
