Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern is that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect us to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps to suggest, then we should be good.
To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to: - curate the existing list - have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open Any takers for those two tasks? Kindly, Dmitry > On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go. > Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate > apps. > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhi...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > >> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by >> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not >> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been >> quite significant in this area. >> >> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps. >> >> -Nikhil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps >> >> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app >> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good >> example of a great Cordova App. >> - remove the "add your app" >> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short >> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone >> opposed with a -1 >> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the >> goal >> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points: >>> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters >>> - curate based on detailed criteria >>> - curate based on loose criteria >>> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase >>> - just accept all requests >>> >>> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel >>> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that >>> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the >>> easiest way to achieve this. >>> >>> Kindly, >>> Dmitry >>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers >>>> build a >>> better app“. >>>> >>>> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we >>>> don’t >>> need that. >>>> >>>> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or >>>> mostly >>> clean from any Framework. >>>> >>>> >>>> Joerg >>>> >>>> >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com>: >>>>> >>>>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate >>> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree >>> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we >>> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng >>> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-) >>>>> >>>>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova >>>>> committers >>> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I >>> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App >>> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but >>> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better >> app. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response: >>>>> >>>>> Must appear in a public store >>>>> Must use Cordova >>>>> Minimum 4 start rating >>>>> Minimum 1,000 downloads >>>>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which >>>>> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used? >>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? >>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something >>>>> about problems – Development environment and tools used >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> rjs >>>>> >>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio >>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com >>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:h...@hamburg.de] >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps >>>>> >>>>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different: >>>>> >>>>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure? >>>>> >>>>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads? >>>>> >>>>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not >>>>> from >>> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has >>> not to say why an app is good. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for >>>>> helping >>> people and doing the small, but important, things. >>>>> >>>>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with >>>>> Cordova >>> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason >>> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jörg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com >>> : >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the >>>>>> page >>> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One >>> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast >>> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things >>>>>> >>>>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like >> one. >>>>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing >>>>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come >>>>>> across, >>> or would like to try. >>>>>> >>>>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I >>>>>> fear >>> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It >>> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from >>> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for >>> developers, nothing more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the >>> public: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – Are complex apps working well? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – How is an app exactly developed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site >>>>>>> has >>> to tell details about the app. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That means: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about >>>>>>> their >>> solutions, for example: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – Which plugins are used? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – Something about problems >>>>>>> >>>>>>> – Developing enviroment >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category >>> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with >>> all apps on a second page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joerg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this. >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&; >>>>>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08 >>>>>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j >>>>>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions >>>>>>>> a week, and someone has to look at >>> them, >>>>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android >>>>>>>> apps, >>> and there >>>>>>>> are 24 apps per page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? >>> mature? >>>>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted. >>>>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to >>>>>>>> have >>> to do >>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f >>>>>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh >>>>>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86 >>>>>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf >>>>>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My team is hiring! >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d >>>>>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d >>>>>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n >>>>>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky < >>> dblot...@microsoft.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here: >>>>>>>>> - display policy >>>>>>>>> - content policy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content: >>>>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display: >>>>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools >>>>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective >>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics: >>>>>>>>> - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR >>>>>>>>> - pick arbitrarily at our discretion >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kindly, >>>>>>>>> Dmitry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez < >>> jcesarmob...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, >>>>>>>>>> but we >>> should >>>>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like >>>>>>>>> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0 >>> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7 >>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs >>> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d >>> , >>>>>>>>> where we show "the best >>>>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for curation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, >> yeah? >>> Apps >>>>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser >>>>>>>>>>> (bows...@gmail.com) >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to >>>>>>>>>>> make >>> sure >>>>>>>>> they're >>>>>>>>>>> legit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < >>>>>>>>> dblot...@microsoft.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the >>> showcase to >>>>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? 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