Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points: - request detailed app descriptions from submitters - curate based on detailed criteria - curate based on loose criteria - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase - just accept all requests
Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the easiest way to achieve this. Kindly, Dmitry > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers build a > better app“. > > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we don’t need > that. > > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or mostly clean > from any Framework. > > > Joerg > > >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <[email protected]>: >> >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that >> developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by >> opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of >> the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality >> apps using any technology under the sun :-) >> >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to >> navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like >> Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers >> need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to >> submit something that helps other developers build a better app. >> >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response: >> >> Must appear in a public store >> Must use Cordova >> Minimum 4 start rating >> Minimum 1,000 downloads >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering >> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) >> – Which plugins are used? >> – Which frameworks are used, if any? >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … >> – Something about problems >> – Development environment and tools used >> >> Thoughts? >> rjs >> >> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead >> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova >> [email protected] >> 206 612 5079 mobile >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps >> >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different: >> >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure? >> >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads? >> >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the >> other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say >> why an app is good. >> >> >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people >> and doing the small, but important, things. >> >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova >> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a >> lot of questions on SO are unanswered. >> >> >> Jörg >> >> >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <[email protected]>: >>> >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to >>> show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception >>> people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that >>> serious applications are written in native languages. >>> >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things >>> >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one. >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or >>> would like to try. >>> >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it >>> would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually >>> be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, >>> describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, >>>> nothing more. >>>> >>>> >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public: >>>> >>>> – Are complex apps working well? >>>> >>>> – How is an app exactly developed? >>>> >>>> >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to >>>> tell details about the app. >>>> >>>> >>>> That means: >>>> >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their >>>> solutions, for example: >>>> >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) >>>> >>>> – Which plugins are used? >>>> >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? >>>> >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … >>>> >>>> – Something about problems >>>> >>>> – Developing enviroment >>>> >>>> >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, >>>> production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a >>>> second page. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Joerg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this. >>>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them, >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and >>>>> there >>>>> are 24 apps per page. >>>>> >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature? >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted. >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My team is hiring! >>>>> @purplecabbage >>>>> risingj.com >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here: >>>>>> - display policy >>>>>> - content policy >>>>>> >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content: >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page >>>>>> >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display: >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics: >>>>>> - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR >>>>>> - pick arbitrarily at our discretion >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindly, >>>>>> Dmitry >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like >>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d, >>>>>> where we show "the best >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 for curation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser ([email protected]) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure >>>>>> they're >>>>>>>> legit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey folks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kindly, >>>>>>>>> Dmitry >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> RELAUNCHED: >>>> http://www.workflow-management.net >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 >> [email protected] >> >> RELAUNCHED: >> http://www.workflow-management.net >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > [email protected] > > RELAUNCHED: > http://www.workflow-management.net > -------------------------------------------------------- >
