I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good example of a great Cordova App. - remove the "add your app" - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone opposed with a -1 - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the goal - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com> wrote: > Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points: > - request detailed app descriptions from submitters > - curate based on detailed criteria > - curate based on loose criteria > - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase > - just accept all requests > > Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel like we > have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that displays good > use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the easiest way to achieve > this. > > Kindly, > Dmitry > > > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: > > > > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers build a > better app“. > > > > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we don’t > need that. > > > > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or mostly > clean from any Framework. > > > > > > Joerg > > > > > >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com>: > >> > >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate > that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that > by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall > short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of > hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-) > >> > >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers > to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like > Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers > need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to > submit something that helps other developers build a better app. > >> > >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response: > >> > >> Must appear in a public store > >> Must use Cordova > >> Minimum 4 start rating > >> Minimum 1,000 downloads > >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering > >> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) > >> – Which plugins are used? > >> – Which frameworks are used, if any? > >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … > >> – Something about problems > >> – Development environment and tools used > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> rjs > >> > >> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead > >> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova > >> rsa...@microsoft.com > >> 206 612 5079 mobile > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:h...@hamburg.de] > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps > >> > >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different: > >> > >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure? > >> > >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads? > >> > >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from > the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to > say why an app is good. > >> > >> > >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping > people and doing the small, but important, things. > >> > >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova > don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why > a lot of questions on SO are unanswered. > >> > >> > >> Jörg > >> > >> > >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com>: > >>> > >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page > is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One > perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast > enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages. > >>> > >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things > >>> > >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one. > >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing > >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, > or would like to try. > >>> > >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear > that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would > actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app > authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for > developers, nothing more. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the > public: > >>>> > >>>> – Are complex apps working well? > >>>> > >>>> – How is an app exactly developed? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has > to tell details about the app. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That means: > >>>> > >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their > solutions, for example: > >>>> > >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) > >>>> > >>>> – Which plugins are used? > >>>> > >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? > >>>> > >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … > >>>> > >>>> – Something about problems > >>>> > >>>> – Developing enviroment > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category > (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all > apps on a second page. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Joerg > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>: > >>>>> > >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this. > >>>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at > them, > >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, > and there > >>>>> are 24 apps per page. > >>>>> > >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? > mature? > >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted. > >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have > to do > >>>>> this. > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> My team is hiring! > >>>>> @purplecabbage > >>>>> risingj.com > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky < > dblot...@microsoft.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here: > >>>>>> - display policy > >>>>>> - content policy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content: > >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display: > >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools > >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists > >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics: > >>>>>> - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR > >>>>>> - pick arbitrarily at our discretion > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kindly, > >>>>>> Dmitry > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez < > jcesarmob...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we > should > >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like > >>>>>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d > , > >>>>>> where we show "the best > >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> +1 for curation. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? > Apps > >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bows...@gmail.com) > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make > sure > >>>>>> they're > >>>>>>>> legit. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < > >>>>>> dblot...@microsoft.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hey folks, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the > showcase to > >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, > but the > >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Kindly, > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > >>>> h...@hamburg.de > >>>> > >>>> RELAUNCHED: > >>>> http://www.workflow-management.net > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > >> h...@hamburg.de > >> > >> RELAUNCHED: > >> http://www.workflow-management.net > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > > h...@hamburg.de > > > > RELAUNCHED: > > http://www.workflow-management.net > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > >
