- downloads are not verifiable in some markets - star ratings do not always reflect quality
I would much rather drop the whole showcase concept, and simply allow guest-blog pull requests. Guest blogs could be about an app, if that's what the submitter wanted to do, and could contain as much or as little info as desired. Ultimately, I do not think we have an issue with marketing, and as an open source project, I would much rather see us focus on code quality than trying to repair a (perceived) damaged public reputation. I've already spent too much time discussing this, so I will refrain from further replies and go with whatever is decided. My team is hiring! @purplecabbage risingj.com On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of putting the onus on the developer to actually do > some marketing and selling of their app to us :) > We should have that minimum bar that they need to pass, I like Ryan's > listed criteria. > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that > developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by > opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short > of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality > apps using any technology under the sun :-) > > > > At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers > to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like > Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers > need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to > submit something that helps other developers build a better app. > > > > Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response: > > > > Must appear in a public store > > Must use Cordova > > Minimum 4 start rating > > Minimum 1,000 downloads > > Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering > > – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) > > – Which plugins are used? > > – Which frameworks are used, if any? > > – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … > > – Something about problems > > – Development environment and tools used > > > > Thoughts? > > rjs > > > > Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead > > Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova > > rsa...@microsoft.com > > 206 612 5079 mobile > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joerg Holz [mailto:h...@hamburg.de] > > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps > > > > thx for agreeing, but I see things different: > > > > – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure? > > > > – What mean's popular, count of downloads? > > > > Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from > the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to > say why an app is good. > > > > > > And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping > people and doing the small, but important, things. > > > > The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova > don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why > a lot of questions on SO are unanswered. > > > > > > Jörg > > > > > >> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com>: > >> > >> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is > to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One > perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast > enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages. > >> > >> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things > >> > >> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one. > >> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing > >> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or > would like to try. > >> > >> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear > that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would > actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app > authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: > >> > >>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for > developers, nothing more. > >>> > >>> > >>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the > public: > >>> > >>> – Are complex apps working well? > >>> > >>> – How is an app exactly developed? > >>> > >>> > >>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to > tell details about the app. > >>> > >>> > >>> That means: > >>> > >>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their > solutions, for example: > >>> > >>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) > >>> > >>> – Which plugins are used? > >>> > >>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? > >>> > >>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … > >>> > >>> – Something about problems > >>> > >>> – Developing enviroment > >>> > >>> > >>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, > production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a > second page. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Joerg > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>: > >>>> > >>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this. > >>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at > them, > >>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and > there > >>>> are 24 apps per page. > >>>> > >>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? > mature? > >>>> We cannot display every app submitted. > >>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to > do > >>>> this. > >>>> > >>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> My team is hiring! > >>>> @purplecabbage > >>>> risingj.com > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky < > dblot...@microsoft.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> So, there are two items to address here: > >>>>> - display policy > >>>>> - content policy > >>>>> > >>>>> I propose the following policy for app content: > >>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page > >>>>> > >>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display: > >>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools > >>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists > >>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics: > >>>>> - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR > >>>>> - pick arbitrarily at our discretion > >>>>> > >>>>> Kindly, > >>>>> Dmitry > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez < > jcesarmob...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we > should > >>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like > >>>>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d > , > >>>>> where we show "the best > >>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> +1 for curation. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? > Apps > >>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bows...@gmail.com) > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure > >>>>> they're > >>>>>>> legit. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < > >>>>> dblot...@microsoft.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hey folks, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the > showcase to > >>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, > but the > >>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Kindly, > >>>>>>>> Dmitry > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > >>> h...@hamburg.de > >>> > >>> RELAUNCHED: > >>> http://www.workflow-management.net > >>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > > h...@hamburg.de > > > > RELAUNCHED: > > http://www.workflow-management.net > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >
