this really looks great. However, I would like to rearrange the links a little bit:

Yup... you're right. The links as they are, are not the final layout or anything close. We are still looking at the technical aspects of how present the information. Feel free to rearrange them into something that looks better. The Talk:Documentation/testpage or the Documentation_new pages are not just to look at... everyone can have a go at them, edit them... shuffle things around a little etc. We can also make copies and create new test pages.


- remove the artificial split up between Topics and Resources. Users who want help and information don't care if they get help from a topic or a resource information source.

That means we need a good list of topics or entry points for people use to find the docs they need. The list of topics there was a quick list to show what is possible, not a final list.

We need to find out (or make an educated guess) who the Wiki users/readers are, what the high level tasks are and what docs we have.


- clearly divide the information sources between "User Help" and "Developer/Admin Help". The links to developer/admin information only distract normal users from finding help.

That is the direction the Topics and Resources lists are going, although the actual content of those columns isn't necessarily in the right places yet.


- Add a highly visible link to "How to improve the help". This is a Wiki at all, and we want the user to participate and share.

We can do that in the same way it is done on the existing Documentation Wiki page (the box on the right)... or if there is a better way?


- No normal user should need to scroll down to find the most often wanted help information. No user should be urged to read one and a half column of links and text until he/she finds the FAQ or the How Tos.

OK, but also you cannot put all links to all documents in one spot at the top of the page... nor is it reasonable to put 4 links on the main page and ask the user to click through 6 Wiki layers to find the info they need or want. There is a lot of information on the Documentation Wiki and we need to find a balance between putting it all on the main Documentation page like it is now, and hiding some of it in subpages or hidden text sections... and of course we also need to work within the limitations of what is possible on the Wiki.


- The link to Forums currently doesn't work.

Yes, that's true... there is an error in the Template that is used for this part. The Template needs to be fixed.


An additional link to the mailing lists main page should be added.

OK good point.  You can add it if you want :-)


- The link names and the descriptions should contain the terms that user are used to search when they want help. For example, user who search the manuals don't find any manuals now. They are named different - but how?

OK, what terms? Everyone can edit the testpage (or create another page) and add some examples if they have some ideas. What terms are people looking for? How are they searching? Are they using Google? Will they use the new Search box that we have added to the Documentation Wiki page? Will they find the topic areas to be the "right" topic areas?

I don't know if we can even answer a lot of these questions, but we do need to take at least some of it into consideration as we work toward a better Documentation Wiki.

The questions I asked in the last message:
 - Who are the people looking for info?  The audience?
 - What are the high level tasks that we can use for grouping topics?
 - What books and content do we actually have?
are along the same lines as the ones you've raised... and they don't have clear answers just yet.

C.
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