I've filed a ticket and created 2 PRs. After tuning of TC I'm going to
merge both of them, if nobody disagrees with it.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-20216



пн, 14 авг. 2023 г. в 22:29, Ivan Daschinsky <ivanda...@gmail.com>:

> >> * com.github.fommil.netlib:core:1.1.2 - not developed and archived
> since 2017. Last version released in 2013 [2]
> Moreover, this version is so outdated and JNI extension was so strangely
> made (linked to libgfortran3 for example), that native BLAS simply doesn't
> work.
> Always fallback option is used (f2jBLAS, and it is also outdated).
> There is a modern option -- https://github.com/luhenry/netlib, it is used
> in spark mllib.
>
> I have run all tests successfully with it (with few lines changed, of
> course) using native blas (libopenblas on ubuntu 22.04)
>
> So it is possible to state that nobody has run it on native blas. So I
> have some concerns about existence of prod like installations with Ignite
> ML module
>
> пт, 11 авг. 2023 г. в 13:14, Николай Ижиков <nizhi...@apache.org>:
>
>> A few cents to let you know how abandoned ML module is.
>>
>> 1. Last valuable commit December 9, 2020 -
>> https://github.com/apache/ignite/commit/04f6a33851d9f7bd269a09fdc2c74485b1e01a8a
>>
>> 2. Dependencies and current versions of them:
>>
>>   * com.dropbox.core:dropbox-core-sdk:2.1.1 current version is - 5.4.5 [1]
>>   * com.github.fommil.netlib:core:1.1.2 - not developed and archived
>> since 2017. Last version released in 2013 [2]
>>   * org.apache.commons:commons-rng-core:1.0 current version is 1.5 [3]
>>   * com.zaxxer:SparseBitSet:1.0 current version is 1.2 [4]
>>   * ai.catboost:catboost-prediction:0.24 current version is 1.2 [5]
>>   * ai.h2o:h2o-genmodel:3.26.0.8 current version is 3.42.0.2 [6]
>>
>> ML community make a huge step forward since 2020.
>> So I doubt ML features and tools integrations works as expected nowadays.
>> Those type of Ignite features(abandoned or supported partially) has to be
>> in extensions.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/dropbox/dropbox-sdk-java
>> [2] https://github.com/fommil/netlib-java
>> [3] https://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/commons-rng-core/
>> [4] https://github.com/brettwooldridge/SparseBitSet
>> [5] https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/ai.catboost/catboost-prediction
>> [6] https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/ai.h2o/h2o-genmodel
>>
>>
>>
>> > 11 авг. 2023 г., в 12:19, Kseniya Romanova <ksroman...@apache.org>
>> написал(а):
>> >
>> > As far as I know, the integration was removed from the Tensorflow side.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 2:04 PM Andrey Mashenkov <
>> andrey.mashen...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ivan,
>> >>
>> >>> Actually, I haven't found any integration with tensorflow in AI code.
>> >>
>> >> Ok. You are right.
>> >> Tensorflow is mentioned in docs: docs/_docs/setup.adoc.
>> >>
>> >> Adapters may require compilation time dependencies, but these
>> dependencies
>> >> shouldn't be part or release package,
>> >> regardless whether the ML module is a part of Ignite or extensions.
>> WDYT?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 1:36 PM Ivan Daschinsky <ivanda...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Actually, I haven't found any integration with tensorflow in AI code.
>> >>> Actually, all integrations are some adapters that allow to load
>> >> pretrained
>> >>> models (h2o, catboost etc.)
>> >>>
>> >>> чт, 10 авг. 2023 г. в 13:08, Ivan Daschinsky <ivanda...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I am personally for moving to extensions. Alex has already mentioned
>> >> all
>> >>>> the reasons why it should be done and all of them are quite
>> important.
>> >>>> The module seems to be quite independent and there is no problem to
>> >> move
>> >>>> it to ignite-extensions.
>> >>>> So I am +1 for moving to ignite-extensions.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> чт, 10 авг. 2023 г. в 12:45, Kseniya Romanova <ksroman...@apache.org
>> >:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> do you know anyone who uses it?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I know some teams, who do. At the last Ignite Summit we had a talk
>> >>>>> featuring Ml module (from the Groovy community).
>> >>>>> Anyway, We need here the module maintainer opinion
>> >>>>>  + Alex
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:38 PM Andrey Mashenkov <
>> >>>>> andrey.mashen...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> -1 for removal.
>> >>>>>> 0 for relocation
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> imho, TC resources and module size aren't good arguments for
>> >>>>>> removal/moving.
>> >>>>>> ML tests could be run nightly.
>> >>>>>> ML module contains few integrations (with TensorFlow and other),
>> >> these
>> >>>>>> optional integrations are wighty and could be moved to extension,
>> >>>>>> but core functionality still can be left untouched if it is highly
>> >>>>> coupled
>> >>>>>> with core Ignite and moving to extension is hard.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:22 PM Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> +1 to relocation
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:09 PM Alex Plehanov <
>> >>> plehanov.a...@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Pavel, do you know anyone who uses it?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Looks like it isn't used at all (no questions on mail lists, no
>> >>>>>>>> tickets), but we spend developers time to build module with
>> >> every
>> >>>>>>>> Ignite rebuild, we spend users traffic to download module (ML
>> >> with
>> >>>>>>>> dependencies takes about 1/4 of our binary release package size)
>> >>> and
>> >>>>>>>> we spend team-city resources to test module.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> +1 for removing or moving to extensions.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ср, 9 авг. 2023 г. в 14:19, Pavel Tupitsyn <
>> >> ptupit...@apache.org
>> >>>> :
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Does it have any outstanding issues? A stable and useful
>> >> module
>> >>>>>> should
>> >>>>>>>> not
>> >>>>>>>>> be removed just because it does not evolve.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 1:46 PM Ivan Daschinsky <
>> >>>>> ivanda...@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Igniters, seems that this module is completely abandoned for
>> >>>>> more
>> >>>>>>> than
>> >>>>>>>> 2
>> >>>>>>>>>> years. But it is enormous and it seems that nobody wants to
>> >>> take
>> >>>>>> care
>> >>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>> it. I suggest just removing it or moving it to extensions
>> >> (as
>> >>>>>>> option).
>> >>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>> Andrey V. Mashenkov
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Sincerely yours, Ivan Daschinskiy
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Sincerely yours, Ivan Daschinskiy
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Andrey V. Mashenkov
>> >>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Sincerely yours, Ivan Daschinskiy
>


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