On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: > hi matthias, > >> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO > > agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]). > however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started > with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project > and imo we have to continue with this approach.
not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see Labs as a good area fo GSoC) -M > > regards, > gerhard > > [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> @matthias: >>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the >>> incubator for building a community (see [1]). >> >> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO >> >> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited >> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc)) >> >> -M >> >>> >>> regards, >>> gerhard >>> >>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> Courses in English and German >>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: >>>> that's stupid :-) >>>> >>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) >>>> >>>> -M >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Android >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> see [1] - esp.: >>>>>> >>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, >>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting >>>>>> > in an >>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it... >>>>>> >>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check" >>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator >>>>>> itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: >>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? >>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for >>>>>> > future experiments ?! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -M >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>>>>> >> Hi, >>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? >>>>>> >> Greetings, >>>>>> >> Ali >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part >>>>>> >>>> of >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>>>> >>>> project-ideas >>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to >>>>>> >>> somewhere >>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it. >>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases >>>>>> >>> and >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. >>>>>> >>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>> Ali >>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf >>>>>> >>>> subproject >>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before >>>>>> >>>> importing. >>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed >>>>>> >>>> outside >>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of >>>>>> >>>> paperwork >>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1 >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>>>> >>>> strub >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something >>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the >>>>>> >>>> > community, >>>>>> >>>> > we can >>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo >>>>>> >>>> > it's >>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we >>>>>> >>>> > don't >>>>>> >>>> > have the >>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >regards, >>>>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part >>>>>> >>>> >> of >>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project. >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before >>>>>> >>>> >> a >>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>Regards >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >>>>>> >>>> >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we >>>>>> >>>> >>> won't >>>>>> >>>> >>> promote >>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components. >>>>>> >>>> >>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support >>>>>> >>>> >>>> themselfs? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) >>>>>> >>>> >>>> calendar >>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a >>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> } >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed). >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>to >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> import. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> browser >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> do >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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