@matthias: apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the incubator for building a community (see [1]).
regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: > that's stupid :-) > > Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) > > -M > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. >> >> Sent from Android >> >> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> see [1] - esp.: >>> >>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, >>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in >>> > an >>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it... >>> >>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check" >>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator >>> itself. >>> >>> regards, >>> gerhard >>> >>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> Courses in English and German >>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: >>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? >>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for >>> > future experiments ?! >>> > >>> > -M >>> > >>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>> >> Hi, >>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? >>> >> Greetings, >>> >> Ali >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>> >>>> >>> >>>> the tomahawk project >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>> >>>> project-ideas >>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >>> >>> >>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to >>> >>> somewhere >>> >>> else, I am also ok with it. >>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and >>> >>> the >>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Ali >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject >>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before >>> >>>> importing. >>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed >>> >>>> outside >>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of >>> >>>> paperwork >>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thus a +1 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> LieGrue, >>> >>>> strub >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >________________________________ >>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something >>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, >>> >>>> > we can >>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo >>> >>>> > it's >>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't >>> >>>> > have the >>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >regards, >>> >>>> >gerhard >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part >>> >>>> >> of >>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before >>> >>>> >> a >>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>Regards >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>Bernd >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >>> >>>> >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we >>> >>>> >>> won't >>> >>>> >>> promote >>> >>>> >>> incompatible components. >>> >>>> >>> regards, >>> >>>> >>> gerhard >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? >>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar >>> >>>> >>>> when a >>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >>> >>>> >>>> aaaa >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> } else{ >>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> } >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> ? >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 >>> >>>> >>>> rendering, >>> >>>> >>>> isn't? >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>> >>>> >>>> strub >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> >regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is >>> >>>> >>>> > for >>> >>>> >>>> > this >>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox >>> >>>> >>>> > more >>> >>>> >>>> > often and >>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the >>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation >>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed). >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5 >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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