see [1] - esp.: >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, >blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an >existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check" -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator itself. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for > future experiments ?! > > -M > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >> Hi, >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? >> Greetings, >> Ali >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>>> >>>> the tomahawk project >>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere >>> else, I am also ok with it. >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. >>> Cheers, >>> Ali >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before >>>> importing. >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >>>> >>>> Thus a +1 >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> strub >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we >>>> > can >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have >>>> > the >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >regards, >>>> >gerhard >>>> > >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>> > >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>> > >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> >>>> > >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >>>> >> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>>> >>the tomahawk project. >>>> >> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >>>> >> >>>> >>Regards >>>> >> >>>> >>Bernd >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >>>> >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't >>>> >>> promote >>>> >>> incompatible components. >>>> >>> regards, >>>> >>> gerhard >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar >>>> >>>> when a >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >>>> >>>> aaaa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> } else{ >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> } >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 >>>> >>>> rendering, >>>> >>>> isn't? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> >>>> strub >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >regards, >>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for >>>> >>>> > this >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more >>>> >>>> > often and >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the >>>> >>>> >>> situation >>>> >>>> >>> changed). >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards, >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact >>>> >>>> >>>> can't >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to >>>> >>>> >>>> know if >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide >>>> >>>> >>>> what to >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has >>>> >>>> >>>> just >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I >>>> >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. >>>> >>>> >>>>> that >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising. >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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