On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: > @matthias: > apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the > incubator for building a community (see [1]).
perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc)) -M > > regards, > gerhard > > [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: >> that's stupid :-) >> >> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) >> >> -M >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. >>> >>> Sent from Android >>> >>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> see [1] - esp.: >>>> >>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, >>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting >>>> > in an >>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it... >>>> >>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check" >>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator >>>> itself. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> gerhard >>>> >>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >>>> >>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: >>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? >>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for >>>> > future experiments ?! >>>> > >>>> > -M >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>>> >> Hi, >>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? >>>> >> Greetings, >>>> >> Ali >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the tomahawk project >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>> >>>> project-ideas >>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to >>>> >>> somewhere >>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it. >>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. >>>> >>> Cheers, >>>> >>> Ali >>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject >>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before >>>> >>>> importing. >>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed >>>> >>>> outside >>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of >>>> >>>> paperwork >>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> >>>> strub >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something >>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, >>>> >>>> > we can >>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo >>>> >>>> > it's >>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't >>>> >>>> > have the >>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >regards, >>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part >>>> >>>> >> of >>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before >>>> >>>> >> a >>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>Regards >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>Bernd >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >>>> >>>> >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we >>>> >>>> >>> won't >>>> >>>> >>> promote >>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components. >>>> >>>> >>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>> gerhard >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar >>>> >>>> >>>> when a >>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> } else{ >>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> } >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 >>>> >>>> >>>> rendering, >>>> >>>> >>>> isn't? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> >>>> >>>> strub >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is >>>> >>>> >>>> > for >>>> >>>> >>>> > this >>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox >>>> >>>> >>>> > more >>>> >>>> >>>> > often and >>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>>> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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