that's stupid :-) Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
-M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: > One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. > > Sent from Android > > On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> see [1] - esp.: >> >> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, >> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in >> > an >> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it... >> >> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check" >> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator >> itself. >> >> regards, >> gerhard >> >> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >> >> http://www.irian.at >> >> Your JSF powerhouse - >> JSF Consulting, Development and >> Courses in English and German >> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >> >> >> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: >> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? >> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for >> > future experiments ?! >> > >> > -M >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? >> >> Greetings, >> >> Ali >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi, >> >>>> >> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >> >>>> >> >>>> the tomahawk project >> >>> >> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >> >>>> >> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >> >>>> project-ideas >> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >> >>> >> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to >> >>> somewhere >> >>> else, I am also ok with it. >> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and >> >>> the >> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Ali >> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >> >>>> >> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject >> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before >> >>>> importing. >> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed >> >>>> outside >> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of >> >>>> paperwork >> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >> >>>> >> >>>> Thus a +1 >> >>>> >> >>>> LieGrue, >> >>>> strub >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >________________________________ >> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something >> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, >> >>>> > we can >> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo >> >>>> > it's >> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't >> >>>> > have the >> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >regards, >> >>>> >gerhard >> >>>> > >> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>>> >Courses in English and German >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part >> >>>> >> of >> >>>> >>the tomahawk project. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before >> >>>> >> a >> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>Regards >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>Bernd >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >> >>>> >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we >> >>>> >>> won't >> >>>> >>> promote >> >>>> >>> incompatible components. >> >>>> >>> regards, >> >>>> >>> gerhard >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? >> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar >> >>>> >>>> when a >> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >> >>>> >>>> aaaa >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> } else{ >> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> } >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> ? >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 >> >>>> >>>> rendering, >> >>>> >>>> isn't? >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >> >>>> >>>> strub >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> >regards, >> >>>> >>>> >gerhard >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is >> >>>> >>>> > for >> >>>> >>>> > this >> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox >> >>>> >>>> > more >> >>>> >>>> > often and >> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the >> >>>> >>>> >>> situation >> >>>> >>>> >>> changed). >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>regards, >> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact >> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't >> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to >> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if >> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later >> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide >> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to >> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts >> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a >> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that >> >>>> >>>> >>>> has >> >>>> >>>> >>>> just >> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". >> >>>> >>>> >>>> I >> >>>> >>>> >>>> think >> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5 >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>-- >> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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