One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. Sent from Android On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> see [1] - esp.: > > >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in > an existing project bylaw or building a community around it... > > we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check" > -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator > itself. > > regards, > gerhard > > [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>: > > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? > > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for > > future experiments ?! > > > > -M > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? > >> Greetings, > >> Ali > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of > >>>> > >>>> the tomahawk project > >>> > >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. > >>>> > >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new > project-ideas > >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects). > >>> > >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. > >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to > somewhere > >>> else, I am also ok with it. > >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and > the > >>> jars are deployed to maven repo. > >>> Cheers, > >>> Ali > >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :) > >>>> > >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject > >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before > >>>> importing. > >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed > outside > >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of > paperwork > >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). > >>>> > >>>> Thus a +1 > >>>> > >>>> LieGrue, > >>>> strub > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >________________________________ > >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> > >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> > >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM > >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new > >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). > >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something > >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, > we can > >>>> > discuss the correct place for it. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo > it's > >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't > have the > >>>> > resources/community to maintain them. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >regards, > >>>> >gerhard > >>>> > > >>>> >http://www.irian.at > >>>> > > >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - > >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and > >>>> >Courses in English and German > >>>> > > >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> > >>>> > > >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. > >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part > of > >>>> >>the tomahawk project. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a > >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>Regards > >>>> >> > >>>> >>Bernd > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek > >>>> >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. > >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we > won't > >>>> >>> promote > >>>> >>> incompatible components. > >>>> >>> regards, > >>>> >>> gerhard > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - > >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and > >>>> >>> Courses in English and German > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? > >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar > >>>> >>>> when a > >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, > >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> if (html5){ > >>>> >>>> aaaa > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> } else{ > >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> } > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> ? > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 > >>>> >>>> rendering, > >>>> >>>> isn't? > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> LieGrue, > >>>> >>>> strub > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >________________________________ > >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> > >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM > >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1 > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >regards, > >>>> >>>> >gerhard > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - > >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and > >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for > >>>> >>>> > this > >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox > more > >>>> >>>> > often and > >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek > >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >>hi leo, > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i > >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say > >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the > >>>> >>>> >>> situation > >>>> >>>> >>> changed). > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>regards, > >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - > >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and > >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>Hi > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact > >>>> >>>> >>>> can't > >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to > >>>> >>>> >>>> know if > >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide > >>>> >>>> >>>> what to > >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts > "after" a > >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that > has > >>>> >>>> >>>> just > >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I > >>>> >>>> >>>> think > >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: > >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, > >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. > >>>> >>>> >>>>> that > >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look > >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising. > >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. > >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should > >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit > >>>> >>>> >>>>> the > >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk > >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). > >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards, > >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - > >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the > only > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement > already > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser > and > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers > out > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box, > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I > am > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do > an > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do > an > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com > >: > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the > future > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces > html5 > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >>>> >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >>-- > >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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