I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for future experiments ?!
-M On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: > Hi, > So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? > Greetings, > Ali > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>> >>> the tomahawk project >> >> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. >>> >>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas >>> (esp. for gsoc projects). >> >> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. >> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere >> else, I am also ok with it. >> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the >> jars are deployed to maven repo. >> Cheers, >> Ali >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote: >>> >>> including our very own little 'attic' :) >>> >>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject >>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before >>> importing. >>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside >>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork >>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). >>> >>> Thus a +1 >>> >>> LieGrue, >>> strub >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >________________________________ >>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>> > >>> > >>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new >>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). >>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something >>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can >>> > discuss the correct place for it. >>> > >>> > >>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's >>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have >>> > the >>> > resources/community to maintain them. >>> > >>> > >>> >regards, >>> >gerhard >>> > >>> >http://www.irian.at >>> > >>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >Courses in English and German >>> > >>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> >>> > >>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >>> >> >>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>> >>the tomahawk project. >>> >> >>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a >>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >>> >> >>> >>Regards >>> >> >>> >>Bernd >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >>> >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't >>> >>> promote >>> >>> incompatible components. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> gerhard >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>> >>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>> Courses in English and German >>> >>> >>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? >>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar >>> >>>> when a >>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> if (html5){ >>> >>>> aaaa >>> >>>> >>> >>>> } else{ >>> >>>> bbbb //fallback >>> >>>> >>> >>>> } >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 >>> >>>> rendering, >>> >>>> isn't? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> LieGrue, >>> >>>> strub >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >________________________________ >>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >@grant: +1 >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >regards, >>> >>>> >gerhard >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >Courses in English and German >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for >>> >>>> > this >>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more >>> >>>> > often and >>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>hi leo, >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >>> >>>> >>> >don't< say >>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the >>> >>>> >>> situation >>> >>>> >>> changed). >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>regards, >>> >>>> >>>gerhard >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>Hi >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact >>> >>>> >>>> can't >>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to >>> >>>> >>>> know if >>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide >>> >>>> >>>> what to >>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a >>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has >>> >>>> >>>> just >>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I >>> >>>> >>>> think >>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. >>> >>>> >>>>> that >>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>> >>>> >>>>> very promising. >>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should >>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit >>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk >>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). >>> >>>> >>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only >>> >>>> >>>>>> ones >>> >>>> >>>>>> at the >>> >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the >>> >>>> >>>>>> progress >>> >>>> >>>>>> is >>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already >>> >>>> >>>>>> in the >>> >>>> >>>>>> issue >>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough >>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback, >>> >>>> >>>>>> since I >>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and >>> >>>> >>>>>> not >>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts >>> >>>> >>>>>> who are >>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out >>> >>>> >>>>>> of the >>> >>>> >>>>>> box, >>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am >>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an >>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha >>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more >>> >>>> >>>>>> people >>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>-- >>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. 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