On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 16:31 +0100, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: > Hi Michael, > > > OpenOffice project code: > > Sun the only owner: 100% > > LGPL eclectic (or better) ownership: 0% > > the "only" is plain not true, as you very well now. The term is *Joint* > copyright Assignment. You don't do your standing a good with repeating > wrong facts.
The problem with such Joint copyright ownership is that it leaves the potential for a "everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others" environment. In this case, everyone has LGPL access to the source code ("everyone is equal"), but Sun has rights that no one else enjoys, such as the ability to release binary-only versions of OpenOffice.org (Star Office), or to license OpenOffice.org sources to a 3rd party outside of the LGPL. (This was the point to Michael's query about Butler Office -- for all we knew, Butler *had* a license from Sun to release it, and there's nothing anyone could have done about it it. We now know from Martin that this isn't the case. However, we also have no assurance that Butler won't offer [insert obscene amount of money here] to Sun for a proprietary license to the code, and Sun wold be fully within their rights to accept this offer. Would Sun accept such an offer? Probably not today. But in 10-20 years, under new management? Who can say?) *This* is the primary problem with copyright assignments, and why projects requiring them historically haven't done as well as projects that don't require copyright assignments. In general, people don't like a "some are more equal than others" environment, and avoid them. A "solution" to this would be a JCA that explicitly states that the contributed code will only be usable under the LGPL or another open source license; at least this way the "more equal than others" capabilities would be limited, thus keeping them less "more equal than others." A related problem with the "Joint" copyright assignment is that the contributor does not have copyright ownership of all improvements made to that code. This further promotes the "some are more equal than others" motif, as the original contributor effectively retains only LGPL access to their own work (if they're at all interested in any improvements, which one assumes they would be). As for Gnome and the FSF, and this should be obvious, their requirements for copyright assignment (or lack thereof in the case of Gnome) really aren't relevant here, as neither organization is a commercial entity, beholden to stockholders that insist they be ever more profitable. Sun *is* a commercial entity, *is* beholden to stockholders, and thus Sun's behavior isn't as readily comparable. (Rather like Microsoft having a monopoly in operating systems doesn't prevent Apple or Linux from bundling ever more software with their systems -- rules that apply to one group do not necessarily apply to the other.) Again, this should be obvious, but apparently isn't. - Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]