Ian did I actually moan? I'm not trying to piss all over NGR as your trying to say, I've been running a permanent node using the unstable builds to keep up with the network.
I'm not sure that your argument of the network being much smaller holds much water, most of the freesites on freenet were started in what many consider freenets golden age in and around the 692 pre nio builds, when you yourself were reporting d/l speeds of over 100k/s in #freenetmovies, who's in that channel now?? As to claiming "the luddite notion that we need to revert to an older build is idiotic" is almost as ridiculous as not doing so, have you not been watching the mailing list lately? How many people are saying they can't reach any of the freesites is growing, hell David McNab the once maintainer of FCP tools is advising using Entropy to test his 'FREEmail' software. What sort of impression is this giving of the network? As to offering to help I could dump a 3gig log to toads mailbox, but that's not helpful, and as I'm not very technically minded I have no clue what in the log he would find helpful, as loads of things are marked as errors and warnings. I know it's the life cycle of open source that people join contribute and move on, and their have been a lot of talented contributors to freenet, but I've watched your so called debates since I started using the software, and most of it is a 'pissing' contest trying to make a point on who knows more about the code than someone else, that's not a debate, and mostly nothing comes of it. And as to " However, to those who unconstructively moan about problems, push silly solutions like turning back the clock (which would likely hurt the network even more *and* frustrate our efforts to get NGR working), and then complain when developers express frustration at them, these are the people that really hurt the Freenet development effort at a time when developers need user's support most." I quoted from this list about the solutions, and I very, very rarely post here as I really don't have a clue, but the network is breaking and the community is really unhappy as your finding out in #freenet. Anyway, this is my last post here, a probably my last comment on freenet including inserts. Pete AKA frontier -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Clarke Sent: 05 October 2003 17:46 To: Discussion of development issues Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Why is Freenet so sick at the moment? Pete wrote: > Gee Ian, you really are being constructive and encouraging people to > want to help solve the current batch of issues in freenet atm aren't > you? We *are* working to solve the issues in NGR, but this moaning is frustrating and doesn't help. > The suggestion of backing the build back to a known 'good' version is > a reasonable one, as if there is at least a working network for new > members to join they won't give up and f' off. The notion that all will be well if we revert back to an old build is rediculous, have those people considered that the reason it worked well in the past is because the network was much smaller then? The very same people that are moaning about our recent efforts now are exactly the same people that will be singing the praises of NGR when we do get it working well. Sometimes you need to take a few steps backwards before you take a large leap forwards. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but the luddite notion that we need to revert to an older build is idiotic, and simply groaning about poor performance without offering to help is unconstructive and frustrating. > Please don't ruin the sense of community that freenet has managed to > build by causing a rift between the devs and users by using the old > parentage routine of "We're right, you'll do as your told" as people > will lose faith in development for example A number of new people have been contributing very positively over the past few weeks by reporting bugs, coming up with constructive suggestions and debating them, and helping us track down problems in the code. I am quite sure that those people would certainly not characterize the developer's attitude as "We're right, you'll do as your told". However, to those who unconstructively moan about problems, push silly solutions like turning back the clock (which would likely hurt the network even more *and* frustrate our efforts to get NGR working), and then complain when developers express frustration at them, these are the people that really hurt the Freenet development effort at a time when developers need user's support most. Ian. _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
