On Wednesday 07 Mar 2012 21:29:45 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Thomas Sachau <to...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > Ian Clarke schrieb: > > Do you really think, that having some nice javascript or otherwise > > adjusted interface would magically raise the numbers of users? > > I think having a nice, well defined user interface will raise the number of > users, yes. Javascript is just a means to this end, since it's well suited > to rich web UIs, which Freenet requires.
Do you have an example in mind? > > > Some eye-candy > > I'm not talking about "eye-candy", I'm talking about good user interface > design. Javascript can be used for both eye-candy and good user interface design, but the latter doesn't require javascript. > > > wont keep new users nor will it get you many new users, > > it is way more important to have a reliable working freenet with some > > nice additional apps (which themselves should also be reliable). > > The only reliable working additional apps seem to be FMS and maybe Frost > > (where the later has of course issues with spam). So due to the spam, > > the only app left is in the end FMS. Now instead of supporting that, > > something different is started and suggested (with wot and freetalk), > > which still have many issues, are not reliable and where until now > > nobody was able to even tell me, how wot itself works. Ian is correct: We have a volunteer here interested in UIs, let's give them all the help we can. However, I agree in part that functionality and performance are often more important than small improvements to the UI, which we have had third party reviews praising as at least somewhat usable. (See e.g. some press a while back). WoT and Freetalk are not bundled, they are installed if you ask it to. We could have WoT auto-installed if we wanted to - it won't do anything if you don't create an identity, although the next step would be to create one optionally on setup. WoT is a lot more mature than Freetalk. On the other hand, architectural changes are still likely ... A lot of people say Sone works. It's not even on the plugin list because: 1) nobody's read the code except Bombe and 2) it has severe scalability problems which AFAIK have still not been addressed, and which will probably result in major changes to functionality eventually IMHO. > > > So what is the experience of new users? Install freenet, see automaticly > > shipped wot+freetalk, try them, see their issues, maybe browse some > > sites and uninstall freenet again, since things either do rarely work or > > there is no content. A cool web-UI wont change those points, so from my > > perspective, a different interface may be nice, but it wont solve the > > bigger issues with freenet. Content is a chicken and egg problem. But it's also a matter of making it really easy to upload content with better tools, and that includes better UIs. E.g. the blog wizard we have is rather geeky.
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