Hi. Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]> > Hi, > > > 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> > > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . > > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > > > Let me recap: > > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > > > > -- > > > > About E: > > Some issues IMHO: > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > > when you are in the subwiki. > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users > and > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it > be > > confusing? > > > > I would say: it depends. > In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons > will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will > administrate main wiki. > In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main > wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself > wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki > merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install > extensions and choose a color theme. > > To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue > with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only > thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other > (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this > kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis. > > I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the > idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and > nothing else. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: > > > > > > > > == Proposal D == > > > > > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > wikis > > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over > > the > > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > > > entry > > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > > > "Wiki > > > > Index" for example. > > > > > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > logo > > as > > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi developers. > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > > > Workspace > > > > in > > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > > > > Workspaces > > > > > activated". > > > > > > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which > > was > > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. > I > > > have > > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > > > > > > > > == Proposal A == > > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > > > > Logged as admin: > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > > > Not logged as admin: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > > > > > > > > > > You can get it from this commit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > > > > In your screenshot is: > > > * Home > > > ** Administer Main Wiki > > > ** Wiki Directory > > > > > > What it was proposed: > > > * Home > > > ** Administration > > > ** Wikis Index > > > ** .... > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > > > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > > > - "Administration" > > > or > > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > > > > > > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > current > > > > menus: > > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we > are > > > in > > > > a > > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > > > > > > > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > both > > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > > > > > > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > > current > > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > > > > several > > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in > > the > > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > > > "main" > > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows > the > > > > users > > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > > > menu > > > > > "System" or "XWiki". > > > > > > > > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > > displays > > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with > the > > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > > > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > > > > content. > > > > > It does not look good. > > > > > > > > > > In the proposal there is > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could > > also > > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > (especially > > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in > > the > > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > > > > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, > > we > > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > > > > > > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: > > > > once > > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > > > > > > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > in > > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > > > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > content' > > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Proposal B == > > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, > so > > we > > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > > > > > B). > > > > > > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > > > side, > > > > we > > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > > > > achieve > > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" > or > > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it > just > > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > > > > "System" > > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we > > put > > > it > > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > > > confusing. > > > > > > > > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". > > The > > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > location > > in > > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > > actions. > > > > > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > > > own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Proposal C == > > > > > We had also this idea: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main > > Wiki" > > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > > > > > > > > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should > I > > > do? > > > > Do > > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > because > > he > > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > > > > changed > > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > > > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > > > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > > > > Current implementation: > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > > > > > > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > > > > > > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > > > > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > > > > regarding > > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must > > have > > > a > > > > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > > > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > > > > -1 for proposal C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > > > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > > > * Home > > > ** Administration > > > ** --- > > > ** Wikis Index/Directory > > > ** Documents Index > > > > > > (Home/mainwiki) > > > * Home > > > ** Watch Home > > > ** Administer Home > > > ** --- > > > ** Wikis Index > > > ** Documents Index > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > Louis-Marie > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
