+1 for E On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> wrote: > Same as Denis. > > +1 for E (Caty's proposal). I don't like the rest. > > Thanks, > Marius > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi devs, >> >> Here is my views on the current proposals: >> >> Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >> >> >> -0, terms and menu options are not as appropriate as E, the duplication at >> main level is confusing. >> >> Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >> >> >> -1, please do not mix users and content. From end user POV, I am not sure >> XWiki, System or whatever could have any sense. >> >> Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >> >> >> 0, could be a light way to do it, but prevent direct access to user >> administration, this is looks like a farm version. >> >> Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >> >> >> -1, the logo could be customized or even removed, keeping the menu is >> usually easy, but keeping the logo and these functions could quickly became >> a nightmare on a customized site. Moreover, it also prevent direct user >> administration. >> >> Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >> >> >> +1, this is my favorite right now, especially looking at the upcoming skin >> when the "Add" menu will be moved out of the top bar. >> >> I do not understand why we would like to hide the fact that the main wiki >> is "on top" of others wikis. This is currently true technically speaking, >> but it also make sense from a user and content POV. When used in the >> workspace configuration, the main wiki will hold the users but also the >> main home and welcome pages, the navigation between workspaces, the global >> activity stream, ... it is the entry point, the portal for all the >> subwikis. The only case where the main wiki get almost useless is in the >> farm configuration, but this is not our subject here. >> >> Therefore, I see proposal E as the one that represent real hierarchy >> properly for the end user. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order >>> to make a choice. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Guillaume >>> >>> >>> 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]> >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > >>> > 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> >>> > >>> > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>> > > >>> > >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >>> > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . >>> > > >>> > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>> > > >>> > > Let me recap: >>> > > >>> > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>> > > >>> > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>> > > >>> > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>> > > >>> > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>> > > >>> > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > >>> > > About E: >>> > > Some issues IMHO: >>> > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and >>> > > when you are in the subwiki. >>> > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users >>> > and >>> > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it >>> > be >>> > > confusing? >>> > > >>> > >>> > I would say: it depends. >>> > In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different >>> persons >>> > will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will >>> > administrate main wiki. >>> > In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate >>> main >>> > wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself >>> > wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a >>> subwiki >>> > merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install >>> > extensions and choose a color theme. >>> > >>> > To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any >>> issue >>> > with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The >>> only >>> > thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other >>> > (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this >>> > kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis. >>> > >>> > I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the >>> > idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and >>> > nothing else. >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >>> > > >>> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > == Proposal D == >>> > > > > >>> > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>> > > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current >>> wiki >>> > > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >>> navigating >>> > > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >>> > wikis >>> > > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover >>> over >>> > > the >>> > > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with >>> first >>> > > > entry >>> > > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry >>> with >>> > > > "Wiki >>> > > > > Index" for example. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >>> > logo >>> > > as >>> > > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Thanks >>> > > > > -Vincent >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>> > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Hi developers. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>> > > > Workspace >>> > > > > in >>> > > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>> > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>> > > > > Workspaces >>> > > > > > activated". >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >>> (which >>> > > was >>> > > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >>> request. >>> > I >>> > > > have >>> > > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > == Proposal A == >>> > > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>> > > > > > Logged as admin: >>> > > > > > >>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>> > > > > > Not logged as admin: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > You can get it from this commit: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 >>> > > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> > > > >>> > > > In your screenshot is: >>> > > > * Home >>> > > > ** Administer Main Wiki >>> > > > ** Wiki Directory >>> > > > >>> > > > What it was proposed: >>> > > > * Home >>> > > > ** Administration >>> > > > ** Wikis Index >>> > > > ** .... >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >>> > > > >>> > > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>> > > > - "Administration" >>> > > > or >>> > > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>> > > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>> > current >>> > > > > menus: >>> > > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we >>> > are >>> > > > in >>> > > > > a >>> > > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate >>> > both >>> > > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >>> > > current >>> > > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" >>> and >>> > > > > several >>> > > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, >>> in >>> > > the >>> > > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >>> between >>> > > > "main" >>> > > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows >>> > the >>> > > > > users >>> > > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call >>> the >>> > > > menu >>> > > > > > "System" or "XWiki". >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>> > > displays >>> > > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with >>> > the >>> > > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>> > > > >>> > > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only >>> have a >>> > > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>> > > > > content. >>> > > > > > It does not look good. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > In the proposal there is >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >>> > > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could >>> > > also >>> > > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>> > (especially >>> > > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located >>> in >>> > > the >>> > > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >>> > > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>> > > > >>> > > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >>> submenu, >>> > > we >>> > > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>> > twice: >>> > > > > once >>> > > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>> > > > > > - The left menu has too many items. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>> > > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >>> > > > in >>> > > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >>> > > > >>> > > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>> > content' >>> > > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > == Proposal B == >>> > > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, >>> > so >>> > > we >>> > > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal >>> > > > > > B). >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the >>> left >>> > > > side, >>> > > > > we >>> > > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can >>> actually >>> > > > > achieve >>> > > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", >>> "Delete" >>> > or >>> > > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it >>> > just >>> > > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more >>> a >>> > > > > "System" >>> > > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why >>> we >>> > > put >>> > > > it >>> > > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>> > > > confusing. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >>> organization >>> > > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>> > > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || >>> User". >>> > > The >>> > > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>> > location >>> > > in >>> > > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>> > > actions. >>> > > > >>> > > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to >>> customize >>> > > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >>> their >>> > > > own. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > == Proposal C == >>> > > > > > We had also this idea: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) >>> > > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main >>> > > Wiki" >>> > > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>> > > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Crowded and serves as a double function. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > --- >>> > > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >>> should >>> > I >>> > > > do? >>> > > > > Do >>> > > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>> > because >>> > > he >>> > > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still >>> be >>> > > > > changed >>> > > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>> > > > > > Current implementation: >>> > > > > > >>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>> > > > > > Mockup with the new skin: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>> > > > > > >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>> > > > > regarding >>> > > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must >>> > > have >>> > > > a >>> > > > > > consensus for the RC1! >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>> > > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>> > > > > > -1 for proposal C. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> > > > >>> > > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>> > > > * Home >>> > > > ** Administration >>> > > > ** --- >>> > > > ** Wikis Index/Directory >>> > > > ** Documents Index >>> > > > >>> > > > (Home/mainwiki) >>> > > > * Home >>> > > > ** Watch Home >>> > > > ** Administer Home >>> > > > ** --- >>> > > > ** Wikis Index >>> > > > ** Documents Index >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanks, >>> > > > Caty >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > Louis-Marie >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > > devs mailing list >>> > > > > > [email protected] >>> > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> > > > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > devs mailing list >>> > > > > [email protected] >>> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> > > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > devs mailing list >>> > > > [email protected] >>> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > devs mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > devs mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Denis Gervalle >> SOFTEC sa - CEO >> eGuilde sarl - CTO >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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