+1 for E Regards, Sorin B.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <silvia.r...@xwiki.com> wrote: > Hi! > > I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E. > > Thanks, > Silvia > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > <gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in > order > > to make a choice. > > > > Thanks, > > Guillaume > > > > > > 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <jeremie.bousq...@gmail.com> > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhum...@xwiki.com> > >> > >> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > >> > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. > >> > > >> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > >> > > >> > Let me recap: > >> > > >> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > >> > > >> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > >> > > >> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > >> > > >> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > >> > > >> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > About E: > >> > Some issues IMHO: > >> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > and > >> > when you are in the subwiki. > >> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > users > >> and > >> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't > it > >> be > >> > confusing? > >> > > >> > >> I would say: it depends. > >> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different > persons > >> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will > >> administrate main wiki. > >> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate > main > >> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself > >> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a > subwiki > >> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install > >> extensions and choose a color theme. > >> > >> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any > issue > >> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The > only > >> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the > other > >> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this > >> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis. > >> > >> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the > >> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and > >> nothing else. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: > >> > > > > >> > > > == Proposal D == > >> > > > > >> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > >> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > wiki > >> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > navigating > >> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > >> wikis > >> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > over > >> > the > >> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > first > >> > > entry > >> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > with > >> > > "Wiki > >> > > > Index" for example. > >> > > > > >> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > >> logo > >> > as > >> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks > >> > > > -Vincent > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > >> > > > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi developers. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > >> > > Workspace > >> > > > in > >> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > >> > > > Workspaces > >> > > > > activated". > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > (which > >> > was > >> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > request. > >> I > >> > > have > >> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal A == > >> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > >> > > > > Logged as admin: > >> > > > > > >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >> > > > > Not logged as admin: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > >> > > > > > >> > > > > You can get it from this commit: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > >> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >> > > > >> > > In your screenshot is: > >> > > * Home > >> > > ** Administer Main Wiki > >> > > ** Wiki Directory > >> > > > >> > > What it was proposed: > >> > > * Home > >> > > ** Administration > >> > > ** Wikis Index > >> > > ** .... > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >> > > > >> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > >> > > - "Administration" > >> > > or > >> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > >> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > >> current > >> > > > menus: > >> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when > we > >> are > >> > > in > >> > > > a > >> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > >> both > >> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > >> > current > >> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" > and > >> > > > several > >> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could > imagine, in > >> > the > >> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > between > >> > > "main" > >> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows > >> the > >> > > > users > >> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call > the > >> > > menu > >> > > > > "System" or "XWiki". > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > >> > displays > >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > with > >> the > >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >> > > > >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > have a > >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > more > >> > > > content. > >> > > > > It does not look good. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > In the proposal there is > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > could > >> > also > >> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > >> (especially > >> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is > located in > >> > the > >> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have > a > >> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > >> > > > >> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > submenu, > >> > we > >> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > (mainwiki)). > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > >> twice: > >> > > > once > >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> > > in > >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >> > > > >> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > >> content' > >> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal B == > >> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > 5.2M2, > >> so > >> > we > >> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > >> > > > > B). > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > left > >> > > side, > >> > > > we > >> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > actually > >> > > > achieve > >> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > "Delete" > >> or > >> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it > >> just > >> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > more a > >> > > > "System" > >> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why > we > >> > put > >> > > it > >> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > >> > > confusing. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > organization > >> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > >> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > User". > >> > The > >> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > >> location > >> > in > >> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > >> > actions. > >> > > > >> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > customize > >> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > their > >> > > own. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal C == > >> > > > > We had also this idea: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > >> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > "Main > >> > Wiki" > >> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > >> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > --- > >> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > should > >> I > >> > > do? > >> > > > Do > >> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > >> because > >> > he > >> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can > still be > >> > > > changed > >> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > >> > > > > Current implementation: > >> > > > > > >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >> > > > > Mockup with the new skin: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > >> > > > > > >> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > >> > > > > > >> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > >> > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > >> > > > regarding > >> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > must > >> > have > >> > > a > >> > > > > consensus for the RC1! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > >> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > >> > > > > -1 for proposal C. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >> > > > >> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > >> > > * Home > >> > > ** Administration > >> > > ** --- > >> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory > >> > > ** Documents Index > >> > > > >> > > (Home/mainwiki) > >> > > * Home > >> > > ** Watch Home > >> > > ** Administer Home > >> > > ** --- > >> > > ** Wikis Index > >> > > ** Documents Index > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Caty > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Louis-Marie > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > devs mailing list > >> > > > > devs@xwiki.org > >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > devs mailing list > >> > > > devs@xwiki.org > >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > devs mailing list > >> > > devs@xwiki.org > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > devs mailing list > >> > devs@xwiki.org > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> devs@xwiki.org > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
