Hi! I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
Thanks, Silvia On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi. > > Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order > to make a choice. > > Thanks, > Guillaume > > > 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]> > >> Hi, >> >> >> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> >> >> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >> > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . >> > >> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >> > >> > Let me recap: >> > >> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >> > >> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >> > >> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >> > >> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >> > >> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > About E: >> > Some issues IMHO: >> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and >> > when you are in the subwiki. >> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users >> and >> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it >> be >> > confusing? >> > >> >> I would say: it depends. >> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons >> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will >> administrate main wiki. >> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main >> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself >> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki >> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install >> extensions and choose a color theme. >> >> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue >> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only >> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other >> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this >> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis. >> >> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the >> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and >> nothing else. >> >> >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >> > >> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: >> > > > >> > > > == Proposal D == >> > > > >> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >> wikis >> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over >> > the >> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >> > > entry >> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >> > > "Wiki >> > > > Index" for example. >> > > > >> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >> logo >> > as >> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks >> > > > -Vincent >> > > > >> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hi developers. >> > > > > >> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >> > > Workspace >> > > > in >> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >> > > > Workspaces >> > > > > activated". >> > > > > >> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which >> > was >> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. >> I >> > > have >> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >> > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal A == >> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >> > > > > Logged as admin: >> > > > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >> > > > > Not logged as admin: >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png >> > > > > >> > > > > You can get it from this commit: >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 >> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> > > >> > > In your screenshot is: >> > > * Home >> > > ** Administer Main Wiki >> > > ** Wiki Directory >> > > >> > > What it was proposed: >> > > * Home >> > > ** Administration >> > > ** Wikis Index >> > > ** .... >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >> > > >> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >> > > - "Administration" >> > > or >> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >> > > >> > > >> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >> current >> > > > menus: >> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we >> are >> > > in >> > > > a >> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >> > > > >> > > >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate >> both >> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >> > > >> > > >> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >> > current >> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >> > > > several >> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in >> > the >> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >> > > "main" >> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows >> the >> > > > users >> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >> > > menu >> > > > > "System" or "XWiki". >> > > > >> > > >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >> > displays >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with >> the >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >> > > >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >> > > > content. >> > > > > It does not look good. >> > > > >> > > >> > > In the proposal there is >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could >> > also >> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >> (especially >> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in >> > the >> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >> > > >> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, >> > we >> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >> > > >> > > >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >> twice: >> > > > once >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items. >> > > > >> > > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> > > in >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >> > > >> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >> content' >> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal B == >> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, >> so >> > we >> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal >> > > > > B). >> > > > > >> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >> > > side, >> > > > we >> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >> > > > achieve >> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" >> or >> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it >> just >> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >> > > > "System" >> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we >> > put >> > > it >> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >> > > confusing. >> > > > >> > > >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". >> > The >> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >> location >> > in >> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >> > actions. >> > > >> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >> > > own. >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal C == >> > > > > We had also this idea: >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) >> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main >> > Wiki" >> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >> > > > >> > > >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function. >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > --- >> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should >> I >> > > do? >> > > > Do >> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >> because >> > he >> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >> > > > changed >> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >> > > > > >> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >> > > > > >> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >> > > > > Current implementation: >> > > > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >> > > > > Mockup with the new skin: >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png >> > > > > >> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: >> > > > > >> > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >> > > > > >> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >> > > > > >> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >> > > > regarding >> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must >> > have >> > > a >> > > > > consensus for the RC1! >> > > > > >> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >> > > > > -1 for proposal C. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> > > >> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >> > > * Home >> > > ** Administration >> > > ** --- >> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory >> > > ** Documents Index >> > > >> > > (Home/mainwiki) >> > > * Home >> > > ** Watch Home >> > > ** Administer Home >> > > ** --- >> > > ** Wikis Index >> > > ** Documents Index >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Caty >> > > >> > > >> > > > > Louis-Marie >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > devs mailing list >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > devs mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > devs mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
