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_____ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von pd4u_dares Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juli 2010 15:26 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com> , "Siegfried Jackstien" <siegfried.jackst...@...> wrote: > > Marc . i agree that jose is as dummy . if you see his behaviour in some > situations > > I do not wanna defend him (AS I DO NOT LIKE HIDDEN FUNCTIONS TOO) > > I just like the new mode as it works so well > > I just like experimenting with new "toys" > > That's all > <snip> Try PSK31 or contestia to contact VK. I think it is not so much the mode (since how can that be?) but the contact you made that made you favor ROS. I like experimenting and it is a new toy thats why i favor it .. and I wrote that I worked vk and zl with the mode And I had no luck with other modes for such a big distance > > Jose made 3 qrg on 20m band to give more users a chance . > MORE ROS USERS but you surely know that More Pactor, Packet and WINMOR users??? Since that is what I am saying with my "SSTV argument": a growing number of users implies more patience by ROS users, and a better timing when to call CQ for those users. It does NOT imply more calling frequencies. No other mode "claims" three calling frequencies on one band. ><snip> > I see only low traffic on 115 most is on 103 and 112 so time will show if > the third is needed A third??? Needed??? More patience and better operating practice is needed for ROS users. As it is needed for all hams in a pileup agree with that stay cool and wait till you et the qso if not try next day > > If I look in the bandplan I see that automatic stations is upper limit 112 > so maybe we shoud use the lower qrg for (low power)beaconing with ros and > only 115 for keyboard to keyboard qsos Better not make QSO's at all in a wideband digi section were "unattended" servers reside It is digital and it is wideband . And can be used as beacon so wherelse as in the digital area should ros go?? Jose changed the qrg several times and asked on the hp for qrg to put it in the soft okay maybe 1 qrg would be easier to find than 3 of them . . It is asking for QRM since often "automatic forwarding" takes place on these frequencies. The frequencies are crowded there already so why try to fit in with a 2200Hz wide mode? Better try to find an "own" watering hole for ROS SINCE it is that wide. It would be like using ROS on the SSTV frequency. But since that is a KNOWN frequency for SSTV, people do not use 14.230 for any other mode. So why not apply the same logic on 14.103/14.112/14.115 since all these frequencies are used almost non stop by billboard systems and alike. ALL USED BY BBS ??? how many qrgs for the bbs??? the whole area??? > > Marc you said only one qrg on 20 for sstv??? I see traffic on 14230 as > centre of activity . but also on 233, 236, 240(digi) Digital SSTV is a completely different mode. Just listen to them and you will know/hear the big difference. The only resemblance between the two is sending pics. So the two modes SHARE the frequency. As i know 240 is digital and the other analog so no sharing And on 14.227 and 14.233 there are no other modes operating on fixed frequencies like packet/pactor BBS do on 14.103, 14.112 and 14.115, that is a big difference. > Same story but other mode ... most traffic is on 230 in sstv .. As it is on > 103 for ros > > And if there is more users on air or other modes using 103 I (and others) > qsy to 112 and 115 > Like the sstv gang is doing . traffic on 230 . move to 233 or 236 > If and ONLY if that frequency is free. And most of the times 14.233 or 14.227 are free. There is rarely SSTV traffic beyond these frequencies except in August during the JASTA contest. Then the "SSTV gang" as you call them, use 14.230 +/- 3Kc/6Kc. But even then during contest most traffic is still on 14.230 So maybe 14.236 would have been a good frequency for ROS, since it is rarely used since it is so close to the SSTV and digital SSTV center of activity and can easily be SHARED with these modes. I hear the ssty guys crying : marc why you said the ros guys to move on OUR qrg??? The calling frequencieS for ROS are most of the time in use, and have been in use for years for many pactor servers or packet BBS. So it was quite incosiderate by José and the ROS users to choose these frequencieS. That is again a big difference. Tell jose better qrg he changed it several times and the digital area is not so very wide Can we move outside the digital area I think not as we have to stay in the digital area written down in the bandplans Moving completely out of digital is not okay I think but others maybe know it better Greetz sigi
