Russell,

With all respect, you still haven't addressed my main concern: You
told me that it was because of backward compatibility that this simple
change couldn't be put in the trunk. It is backward compatible. If I'm
wrong, it would suffice to have a simple explanation of what it
breaks.


On Apr 19, 2:17 am, Russell Keith-Magee <freakboy3...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:27 PM, orokusaki <flashdesign...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Russell,
>
> > I apologize for the apparent argumentum ad nauseam. I am not trying to
> > be sly. I am just looking for open dialogue about ideas and I feel
> > like the door is closed and caucus is frowned upon. This is the only
> > way I feel like I can get any floor time. The tickets I create get
> > closed quickly, and if I open better, more refined ones, they're
> > closed as duplicates.
>
> > I really am not against, per se, the backwards compatibility
> > guidelines, and I understand that there would be just as many folks
> > upset if it were too lax. I just think that it ought to be revisited.
> > Call this abstract, but that is only because I don't have the
> > "correct" solution.
>
> > The 'full_clean' stuff is the only thing that really got me fired up.
> > My change was not backward incompatible. ModelForm._post_clean()
> > currently calls nearly the exact same code that is in Model.clean()
> > instead of simply calling Model.clean() which would fix the entire
> > problem in less than "one hour".
>
> > If I'm wrong, then explain to me how it breaks backward compatibility
> > instead of simply erasing the docs. I can't help but feel like you did
> > this to punish me for not following protocol, since you've not given
> > my tickets more that 3 minutes. I've spent much more than 18 months
> > thinking about a lot of things, but I'm always open to suggestion from
> > eager hellers with a vested interest in helping me solve a problem.
>
> And if you want that answer, you've been told *many* times what you need to 
> do.
>
> If you choose to think of this as punishment for not following
> protocol, that's up to you. I prefer to think of it as not encouraging
> developers to engage in practices that we know (from experience) to be
> counterproductive to the development process.
>
> Yours,
> Russ Magee %-)
>
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