> Actually, Julian, in real life there are always criminals and sluggards no
> matter how harsh the punishments against it or how great the incentives not
> to be. The US legal system throws criminals in jail. They used to have to
> work in chain gangs. That was slavery.
>
> The free market by itself is not enough to make all men moral. But if you
> want to believe that it is, have at it.
The US legal system throws more people in jail than in any other country of the world,
yet the US crime rates are some of the highest too. So harsh punishments don't work. I
agree with you that there will always be criminals, no matter what.
I don't think what Julian said was anything to do with morality. He was not talking
about criminals. He was talking about spongers, by which he meant people who live off
of others under a system of government which supports that. People who live off
welfare without trying to find work, or who spend their time litigating in frivolous
lawsuits.
The real criminals would not be nearly such a big problem if law enforcement resources
were directed against people who actually cause harm to people or loss of property,
rather than harassing harmless citizens going about their business who might want to
smoke a joint or enjoy a punt at a virtual casino, for example. Or recklessly causing
the deaths at the border of good people who wish to participate in the economy as
productive, hard working members of society.
But I think most people on this list already know that, so I'll end my dissertation :)
offshoresurfer
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