Are you absolutely, positively sure you're not an Australian academic?
Peter Olivola ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Druckenmiller
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: XML Mapper
>
>
> I can only assume that you work for nordstrom.com based on your email
> address. Did you know your site (www.nordstrom.com) uses
> Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000? I am not sure what the best solution
> is for cleaning coffee of your keyboard after you spit it up on your
> screen. Reminds me of the tower fly by scene in the movie Top Gun.
> It's all down hill below from here my friend:
>
>
> "Welsh, David" wrote:
> >
> > sorry, but I couldn't resist this morning :
> > 1. if I may be so bold on Rachel's part, her point seems to be
> you can only
> > go to Microsoft for BizTalk. Isn't this why Dept of Justice is trying to
> > bust us MS ?
>
> I did not understand your question - MS is being tried because they
> don't offer more than one solution?!? What does the MS Antitrust case
> have anything to do with how bad/good their technology is??? I thought
> that Clinton/Gore's Dept of Justice just hated success. Your and my
> opinion of 125 year old Sherman Antitrust law is no better or worse than
> Thomas P. Jackson's - it's just that he is in a position of authority
> over this case and we are not.
>
>
> > 2. re. Amazon.com, they're one of the most fervant Unix shops anywhere,
> > particularily on the store front and back store ops. MS isn't
> even a heavy
> > word in their IT vocabulary. I don't even think they use MS Exchange.
>
> I did NOT say they did use MS technology. My point was that someone
> with a technology that can adapt more quickly than their competitor will
> win. BTW, these sites use MS technology buy.com, uBid.com,
> OfficeDepot.com, Nasdaq.com, ESPN.com, AskJeeves.com, EddieBauer.com,
> Dell.com, and Monster.com.
>
>
> > 3. "MS lightyears ahead of the crowd with DNA", ... eh'm .....
> well if you
> > could substantiate that against other concepts (something like comparing
> > apples and oranges maybe) then I think you're up against some
> pretty deep
> > discussion.
> > 4. isn't Biztalk just Beta and not scheduled to come production
> for another
> > year ?? Do you like playing with such raw code, something even
> MS doesn't
> > say is street production ready ?
>
> Price you pay of being on the cutting edge. Effective change is brought
> about by those willing to stick their neck out.
>
>
> > 5. a browser (for a human being) is your idea of a thin client !??
> > Application integration ? Sorry but I thought we were discussing EDI ?
> > 6. contests ?? OK, let's see MS play inside of an ebXML Proof of Concept
> > since the rest of the world is looking that way.
> >
> I'd be leery of anything that came out of the UN and what the "rest of
> the world" is doing.
>
>
> > Time for my morning coffee.
> >
> I'v already jagged you once about coffee - although tempting...won't do
> it again.
>
> -RD
>
>
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Druckenmiller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:11 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: XML Mapper
> >
> > The original question did not specify it had to be platform
> > independent. Biztalk does not require IIS. It only runs on Windows
> > 2000 Server. It is a service like IIS. Biztalk will become a part of
> > Back Office similar to IIS and Exchange.
> >
> > I'll assume one of your "strong holds" about a mapper is platform
> > independence. Platform independence is "markettechture". I am a
> > Mercator expert and I have never had the need to port or develop a map
> > that would run concurrently on Unix, DOS, Windows, Linux, blah, blah,
> > blah. As a sidebar I would only be hindering myself as a corporation by
> > having this hodge podge - that is if I cared about competition. IMHO -
> > if you are one of these companies who has a hodge podge of OS' around
> > then someone with Windows DNA is going to eat your supply chain's
> > lunch. This is epitomized by Amazon.com over taking the Book Industry
> > overnight. Their competitors can't turn on a dime because of their
> > hodge podge non-distributed infrastructure.
> >
> > Furthermore, Microsoft is light years ahead of the crowd with their
> > Windows DNA architecture, of which Biztalk and XML play a small integral
> > part and includes Visual Studio.net, while others are still plumbing and
> > fumbling around on the Net with Java (I personally like to code but not
> > 50 lines to 1 - law of diminishing returns you know). Biztalk is also a
> > client that is a COM compliant object that sits in my registry on
> > Windows 9x/2000 clients. I can call Biztalk's properties and methods
> > from with Internet Explorer (IE), pass XML over the wire, and not even
> > open Biztalk, and I ain't paying $50,000+ bucks to do so. Furthermore,
> > I can use Biztalk Server to send/receive/map X12 and EDIFACT. COM
> > compliance is about designing your application with an API into it out
> > of the box - not as an after thought.
> >
> > IE is THE thin client. What Larry Ellison and dumpster diving entourage
> > are trying to do with Thin Client, Microsoft has been doing with IE for
> > years. Besides why buy a terminal that you can't play games on?
> >
> > Let's have a contest: develop and Windows DNA B2B and B2C website vs.
> > whatever other cruft is out there. I'll use the Microsoft suite of dev
> > tools and we will judge it on time to market, price and performance.
> >
> > Hope this starts a religious discussion - I'm kind of sick of this
> > sluggish IT economy, especially here in Atlanta.
> >
> > Thus saith the Lord Gates,
> > -RD
> >
> > Rachel Foerster wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > I may be mistaken, but doesn't Biztalk have to run under IIS? It's
> > > certainly not platform independent.
> > >
> > > Rachel
> > >
> > > I would consider Biztalk. Download the beta for free at
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Druckenmiller
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > Mike Mueller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greetings -
> > > >
> > > > We are in need of a tool that can map XML to a segmented-fixed flat
> > > file format
> > > > (that is, multiple records but each record can have a different
> > > number of
> > > > fields). We don't necessarily need an all inclusive any-to-any
> > > mapper, just
> > > > something that can map. The ideal product would be able to import a
> > > DTD or
> > > > schema and create a document tree from which you could map. Is
> > > anyone aware of
> > > > such a tool? All answers appreciated !!
> > > >
> > > > Mike Mueller
> > > > MGIC
> > > >
> > > >
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