Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 16:33:02 -0400 Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com> said:
>
>
>> onefang Rejected wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 14:06:19 +0000 Mike Blumenkrantz
>>> <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> how is this thread still active
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Coz I'm finding Rasters attitude to EFL application developers is
>>> deplorable, and I'm having serious thoughts about dropping my
>>> involvement in EFL development. Doesn't look like I can change his
>>> mind though, all he has time for is to come up with excuses to ignore
>>> me. Even trying to point out how hypocritical he is isn't helping,
>>> he's sticking with his guns here. I'm supposed to be perfect, he can
>>> get away with doing nothing. Pfffft
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Those who've been around here long-ago-enough know that I'm not one
>> to go around arbitrarily defending Carsten... But man, what exactly are you
>> expecting that Carsten or anyone else in 'eland' should be doing that
>> they are not
>> doing?
>>
>> Do you want them to fix/improve issues with Evas3D that affect your
>> VR app,
>> or become actively interested in it, or what? It's clear that you feel
>> frustrated and
>> rejected somehow, but what exactly is it that you expect people to do?
>> If it's mainly
>> to address the above then you're likely not helping your cause by
>> attacking people.
>>
>> VR may or may not become the 'big thing' sometime in the future, but
>> the fact is
>> that right now it's of very limited use. Furthermore, those few in eland
>> that may have
>> some abilities in 3D stuff are likely already busy with their stuff or
>> aren't all that into VR.
>>
>> If you feel that you're working on cutting edge stuff that will be
>> great someday, then
>> you'll just have to persevere and continue until it is great. Meantime,
>> try and do your best
>> to gather more interest in it.
>> One way to do that is of course to really polish and 'sell' your app
>> even if it's in some
>> very early stage, but again it may be just too early for that... So,
>> another way is simply
>> to try and gather more interest in the use of 3D in e-guis.
>> Though I have no idea what the current state of Evas3D is, or if 3D
>> scenes are supported
>> in edje or elem, I would guess that Evas3D ought to surely help you with
>> that simpler goal.
>>
>> How? Well, some module for e that uses 3D - could be a 3D world
>> clock, could be a
>> 3D desktop background, ... etc. That's probably more interesting to
>> e-devs than yet-another-
>> simplistic-3D-game, and it's a great selling point for 3D if done well.
>> Just being able to load
>> 3D scenes (like X3D or whatnot) and use them as theming elements for
>> elem apps would be
>> a good start.
>>
>> In short, if people in eland are currently not that interested in
>> your external VR app but you
>> feel they ought to be, then maybe making them become more interested in
>> the uses of 3D
>> for e's guis, as mentioned above, will slowly make them notice it (and
>> you) more and more.
>> And if no one is currently doing that (3D in e's guis), then it's even
>> better if you take that lead.
>>
>
> thank's jose. maybe he'll listen to you.
>
>
On the other hand.... :)
The fanged-one does highlight a relevant point: Just what is the state
of support for efl based app developers?
Historically that's basically been zero since 'eland' was always
about 'e'
the gui shell (you've even said that explicitly in the past, multiple
times),
and the various libs were there for that... it took over a decade to
even decide
to settle on a widget lib. And even for e/efl development, any 'docs' were
basically 'read the code'.
But now that the efl libs are more mature, is that still the case?
If not, then
what level of encouragement or support is there? Obviously this mailing
list
'enlightenment-devel' ought to be primarily about e/efl development, not
external apps development, so maybe you'd need a list for that?
Problem is, even if you did want that, are there enough such
external apps
that such a list would make sense? And regardless, what level of support
or help would then be available... would it be mostly up to such app
devs? Etc.
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