Locke left room for something more speculative than the empirical. / Archytas
Smart fellow, that Locke.... - show quoted text - On Monday, November 26, 2012 7:31:09 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > I don't go with Craig on the 'answer' - but we don't know what matter > or energy is - we construct notions of such in the present including > the notion some 'stuff' is older than us. Whitehead's 'occasions of > experience' perhaps. > We sidestep a lot of ontology with method. If you waft a bit of lead > carbonate in a test tube in a Bunsen flame for a while it will turn > yellow. That is, on Earth in normal lab conditions. You could check > this out if arsed. A blind man would need a sighter he could trust. > If I draw two line on a flip chart, one slightly shorter than the > other and get a collaborator to point to the short one and say it is > the longest - most will follow the lie and point to the wrong one. A > ruler becomes the arbiter. Much of science is about keeping cheating > slackers and dumb sheep behaviour out. Particles are just accounting > devices and theories accounting systems. Science likes to mark to > what it posits as reality - unlike banks. What that reality is - fuck > knows - but just hold the top of this Leiden Jar Nom - the shock will > only be nominal (or Nominal's?). Make me a radio based on some goon's > ideas about health giving crystals - or try Wireless World (I was once > an addict). Tropical fish realism works - but this doesn't negate > what Craig has to say and neither does it not working for me. Locke > left room for something more speculative than the empirical. > > On 26 Nov, 18:49, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The way that it makes sense to me is that energy is only the experience > of > > matter interacting with matter, and matter is only experience divorced > from > > any given participant. To you, your life is images, feelings, thoughts. > To > > me is it a body or brain - materials having an effect on other materials > in > > the world. > > > > Our idea of energy and information are the two greatest obstacles to our > > understanding. We have objectified them as existential > pseudo-substances, > > but I think that the reality is that energy and information are nothing > but > > arbitrarily depersonalized sensory-motor experience. Information is > sensory > > input, energy is motor output, each of which define and constrain each > > other.. Period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 26, 2012 1:36:54 PM UTC-5, nominal9 wrote: > > > > > I have a "teasing" question for the both of you....Socrates and > > > Archytas....are Energy and Matter (interchangeable and mutable as they > may > > > be)... both "physical"... or are they just "conceptual"....same > question > > > put differently ... are Energy and Matter an "idea" or are they an > actual > > > "real" thing?....Sometimes I think "scientists" get lost in their > > > "abstractions"..... of formulas and mathematics...theories and > > > hypotheses....Me... I think that Energy and Matter are Objective, > actually > > > "there" and "real"....but I'm just a lowly lay-person.... > > > > > On Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:16:00 AM UTC-4, > socr...@bezeqint.netwrote: > > > > >> Our Modern Scientific Philosophy. > > >> =. > > >> The simplest atom hydrogen consists of electron and proton. > > >> Question. > > >> Where did electron and proton come from? > > >> Answer. > > >> Electron and proton came from big bang. > > >> Question. > > >> Where the did big bang come from? > > >> Answer. > > >> The big bang was created when all electrons and protons > > >> and all another particles were pressed into a singular point. > > >> ==.. > > >> If you don’t believe in such philosophy – you are an ignorant man. > > >> =. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/epistemology/-/EcZNiFWyfmIJ. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
