And he was readable Nom! On 27 Nov, 16:34, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Locke > left room for something more speculative than the empirical. / Archytas > > Smart fellow, that Locke.... > - show quoted text - > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 26, 2012 7:31:09 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > > I don't go with Craig on the 'answer' - but we don't know what matter > > or energy is - we construct notions of such in the present including > > the notion some 'stuff' is older than us. Whitehead's 'occasions of > > experience' perhaps. > > We sidestep a lot of ontology with method. If you waft a bit of lead > > carbonate in a test tube in a Bunsen flame for a while it will turn > > yellow. That is, on Earth in normal lab conditions. You could check > > this out if arsed. A blind man would need a sighter he could trust. > > If I draw two line on a flip chart, one slightly shorter than the > > other and get a collaborator to point to the short one and say it is > > the longest - most will follow the lie and point to the wrong one. A > > ruler becomes the arbiter. Much of science is about keeping cheating > > slackers and dumb sheep behaviour out. Particles are just accounting > > devices and theories accounting systems. Science likes to mark to > > what it posits as reality - unlike banks. What that reality is - fuck > > knows - but just hold the top of this Leiden Jar Nom - the shock will > > only be nominal (or Nominal's?). Make me a radio based on some goon's > > ideas about health giving crystals - or try Wireless World (I was once > > an addict). Tropical fish realism works - but this doesn't negate > > what Craig has to say and neither does it not working for me. Locke > > left room for something more speculative than the empirical. > > > On 26 Nov, 18:49, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The way that it makes sense to me is that energy is only the experience > > of > > > matter interacting with matter, and matter is only experience divorced > > from > > > any given participant. To you, your life is images, feelings, thoughts. > > To > > > me is it a body or brain - materials having an effect on other materials > > in > > > the world. > > > > Our idea of energy and information are the two greatest obstacles to our > > > understanding. We have objectified them as existential > > pseudo-substances, > > > but I think that the reality is that energy and information are nothing > > but > > > arbitrarily depersonalized sensory-motor experience. Information is > > sensory > > > input, energy is motor output, each of which define and constrain each > > > other.. Period. > > > > On Monday, November 26, 2012 1:36:54 PM UTC-5, nominal9 wrote: > > > > > I have a "teasing" question for the both of you....Socrates and > > > > Archytas....are Energy and Matter (interchangeable and mutable as they > > may > > > > be)... both "physical"... or are they just "conceptual"....same > > question > > > > put differently ... are Energy and Matter an "idea" or are they an > > actual > > > > "real" thing?....Sometimes I think "scientists" get lost in their > > > > "abstractions"..... of formulas and mathematics...theories and > > > > hypotheses....Me... I think that Energy and Matter are Objective, > > actually > > > > "there" and "real"....but I'm just a lowly lay-person.... > > > > > On Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:16:00 AM UTC-4, > > socr...@bezeqint.netwrote: > > > > >> Our Modern Scientific Philosophy. > > > >> =. > > > >> The simplest atom hydrogen consists of electron and proton. > > > >> Question. > > > >> Where did electron and proton come from? > > > >> Answer. > > > >> Electron and proton came from big bang. > > > >> Question. > > > >> Where the did big bang come from? > > > >> Answer. > > > >> The big bang was created when all electrons and protons > > > >> and all another particles were pressed into a singular point. > > > >> ==.. > > > >> If you don’t believe in such philosophy – you are an ignorant man. > > > >> =.
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