On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:43:14 PM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus wrote: > > If you begin with sense, > then energy and time are different halves of the same thing > ( that we called Life ), because you use your > personal , local energy in an infinity Earth's time. >
I don't think that energy exists, any more than money exists. Energy is what we call the initiation of change among sensitive bodies. It's just coordinated sensory-motor interaction, just as traffic is coordinated by millions of drivers control of their cars rather than an abstract geometric field. Energy and time are not just parts of biological life, they are measures of change across all scales and stages of development. A star's sense and motive gives us an impression of energy and time, but we don't have to jump to that conclusion. The star can be, like us, an experience which borrows its own time and energy from everything else. Craig > === > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Craig Weinberg > <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> If you don't have sense, you can't discern identity. If you don't have a >> sense to compare and infer among sensations, there can be no action or >> sequence. If you begin with sense, then energy and time are two halves of >> the same thing, which is that sense of comparison of experiences, and space >> is the sense of contrast between parallel histories of experience. >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:50:07 AM UTC-4, Lonnie Clay wrote: >>> >>> At the minimum, you need an identity, an action, and a sequence to >>> exist. That requires space, energy, and time. Whether energy should be >>> considered a dimension is dependent upon whether there exists a minimum >>> quanta of energy required for the least action operation. See : >>> https://sites.google.com/site/**lonniecourtneyclay/home/** >>> blarney-part1-mythology<https://sites.google.com/site/lonniecourtneyclay/home/blarney-part1-mythology> >>> >>> Lonnie Courtney Clay >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:58:59 PM UTC-7, sadovnik socratus wrote: >>>> >>>> Reference frames and Existence. >>>> >>>> ===… >>>> >>>> There are many pretty solid theories. >>>> >>>> How can be known which theory is wrong and which theory is true ? >>>> >>>> The answer depends on which reference frame the theory is based. >>>> >>>> The conception of reference frame is the key to know if the theory is >>>> true one. >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> We know many different reference frames >>>> >>>> ( free, open, closed , 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D, 11D, . . . MD . . . . ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Existence cannot begin from a complex system. >>>> >>>> In the beginning must be a simple model. >>>> >>>> Therefore, I will take a two dimensions space as the simplest model. >>>> >>>> But there are two kinds of two dimensions: the Euclidean ( 2D) space >>>> >>>> and Minkowski negative Pseudo- Euclidian - 2D space. >>>> >>>> What is possible to say about these systems ? >>>> >>>> Which reference frame can be taken as a basis of Existence ? >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> Euclidean ( 2D) reference frame belongs to a gravity space >>>> >>>> where space and time are two different substances. >>>> >>>> Minkowski negative Pseudo- Euclidian - 2D has no gravity >>>> >>>> and space and time are one and the same unite continuum. >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> Later Descartes changed Euclidean two dimensions into three >>>> >>>> dimensions . Living in this Descartes system of coordinate >>>> >>>> we try to understand : where did our existence come from ? >>>> >>>> Then, in my opinion, it is logically to take Minkowski negative >>>> >>>> Pseudo- Euclidian - 2D ( without gravity ) as the simplest model >>>> >>>> to have the searching answer. >>>> >>>> ============…. >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Epistemology" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to epistemology...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to episte...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > You do not really understand something unless you can explain > it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / > The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light Theory ’. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
