There are other ion paths from impurities in the electrodes and electrolyte that allow charge to flow in the other direction thus closing the circuit.
John Lindsay johnslind...@mac.com +61403577711 > On 24 Jun 2015, at 6:24 am, paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Just so you know you are getting over my head but this is the way I > understand it. > Inside a battery plain electrons can't travel around because it takes too > much energy to put a plain electron in solution. Electrons can only travel > inside the battery via charged chemicals, ions, which can dissolve off the > electrodes. The chemical reaction is what pushes the electrons inside toward > the negative end, because the electrodes at the two ends are made of > different materials, which have different chemical stability. > > > From: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com> > To: paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:34 PM > Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" > > So, let me try to paraphrase this. Are you saying that > - the electrolyte can only conduct ions, > - with an open circuit (nothing connected to the terminals), no > electrons can move from one side to the other, > - therefore, with an open circuit, there can be no loss of charge over > time? > > In theory, that sounds solid. However, what if there is some internal > leakage of electrons? What if the electrolyte is not a perfect > insulator? Is it possible for some electrons to travel (and ions in the > opposite direction) and some discharge to happen? > > Peri > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "paul dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: 23-Jun-15 1:21:20 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" > >> >> >> Oh, yea, sorry I don't know why I was thinking magneticfield. >> At any rate the rest of what I said is accurate I believe.There is no >> electric field in a battery. A battery is a chemical reactor. The >> reaction is called red-ox reactions. In the battery is electrolyte >> which can conduct ions but not electrons. Electrons must move external >> to the battery. >> >> The potential in the battery is a chemical potential or the chemical >> energy. >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150623/35499394/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150623/adbc1a29/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
