Hi Alberto,

OK, I am officially confused by your statements. You previously wrote: "Magic emergence from magic enough complexity has been advocated for almost anything." and now you suggest that consciousness is contingent on a level of evolution, ala: "... in this stage of evolution a form of consciousness becomes a necessity". How is this not an argument for emergence from complexity? What is evolution other than a mechanism in Nature to generate increasing stable complex structures in the physical universe? Either consciousness is an irreducible primitive or it is not? I agree that complexity *is* involved when we consider issues such as "reportablity" of consciousness, but the property of "having a subjective experience of being in the world" itself can be strongly argued to flow at the most basic level that allows differences.


On 10/16/2012 10:04 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I argued previously about that the most primitive conciousness emerged from predation/prey dynamics and the neural machinery necessary for them. Because in this stage of evolution a form of consciousness becomes a necessity, not a gift given by the Gods of computation Turing and Godel, among others ;)

2012/10/16 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>>

    On 10/16/2012 9:36 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
    Magic emergence from magic enough complexity has been advocated
    for almost anything. Most of the time as an excuse for  not
    saying "I don´t know", that is the prerequisite for thinking
    deeper about the problem. I prefer to say I don´t know.



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Onward!

Stephen

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