On 10/16/2012 12:41 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/16/2012 2:42 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/16/2012 7:44 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Alberto,
OK, I am officially confused by your statements. You previously wrote: "Magic
emergence from magic enough complexity has been advocated for almost anything." and
now you suggest that consciousness is contingent on a level of evolution, ala: "... in
this stage of evolution a form of consciousness becomes a necessity".
How is this not an argument for emergence from complexity? What is evolution other
than a mechanism in Nature to generate increasing stable complex structures in the
physical universe? Either consciousness is an irreducible primitive or it is not?
I agree that complexity *is* involved when we consider issues such as
"reportablity" of consciousness, but the property of "having a subjective experience
of being in the world" itself can be strongly argued to flow at the most basic level
that allows differences.
If there are no inputs from the world to perceive, e.g. a person in a sensory
deprivation tank, or the 'perceptions' are very simple interactions, e.g. an orbital
electron scattering a photon what will be the content of this subjective experience?
Brent
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Hi Brent,
How so? Do we humans have "orbital electron scattering" of photons as actual
experiential content?
No, but Craig thinks electrons do.
It seems to me that all talk of "orbital electron scattering a photon" that is an
abstract narrative that we talk to each other about and use to make predictions of
phenomena that is within our sphere of mutual non-contradiction.
Sure, the 3p story is one we create to explain intersubjective agreement about 1p
experience. But my point is that consciousness is not basic, otherwise it wouldn't need
external stimuli to avoid infinite loops.
Brent
Our knowledge of physical laws, like all content of experience is 1p that could be
defined as 3p iff possible.
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Onward!
Stephen
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