The difference between "consciousness as an emergence from complexity" and "consciousness is a functionality necessary for, and evolved with xxxx by natural selection" is that the latter is a falsable theory (if we find an observable effect of consciousness) while the former is not even a theory.
It´s like if someone say that the accumulation of meat produce consciousness and he claim that because predation produce consciousness and predation need muscle meat, then accumulation of meat produce consciousness.. 2012/10/16 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net> > Hi Alberto, > > OK, I am officially confused by your statements. You previously wrote: > "Magic emergence from magic enough complexity has been advocated for almost > anything." and now you suggest that consciousness is contingent on a level > of evolution, ala: "... in this stage of evolution a form of consciousness > becomes a necessity". > How is this not an argument for emergence from complexity? What is > evolution other than a mechanism in Nature to generate increasing stable > complex structures in the physical universe? Either consciousness is an > irreducible primitive or it is not? > I agree that complexity *is* involved when we consider issues such as > "reportablity" of consciousness, but the property of "having a subjective > experience of being in the world" itself can be strongly argued to flow at > the most basic level that allows differences. > > > > On 10/16/2012 10:04 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > I argued previously about that the most primitive conciousness emerged > from predation/prey dynamics and the neural machinery necessary for them. > Because in this stage of evolution a form of consciousness becomes a > necessity, not a gift given by the Gods of computation Turing and Godel, > among others ;) > > 2012/10/16 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net> > >> On 10/16/2012 9:36 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> Magic emergence from magic enough complexity has been advocated for >> almost anything. Most of the time as an excuse for not saying "I don´t >> know", that is the prerequisite for thinking deeper about the problem. I >> prefer to say I don´t know. >> >> > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
