Sorry Craig but http://s33light.org/SEEES did not make any sense as to how sense underlies consciousness and comp. In fact you seem to contradict that claim: I.G., "These experiential phenomena (telesemantics, sense, perception, awareness, consciousness) are different levels of same thing".
Computation is mentioned 3 time (comp not at all) but does not seem to be what we refer to as COMP. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:19:54 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 10/16/2012 12:41 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> On 10/16/2012 2:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 10/16/2012 7:44 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> Hi Alberto, >> >> OK, I am officially confused by your statements. You previously wrote: >> "Magic emergence from magic enough complexity has been advocated for almost >> anything." and now you suggest that consciousness is contingent on a level >> of evolution, ala: "... in this stage of evolution a form of consciousness >> becomes a necessity". >> How is this not an argument for emergence from complexity? What is >> evolution other than a mechanism in Nature to generate increasing stable >> complex structures in the physical universe? Either consciousness is an >> irreducible primitive or it is not? >> I agree that complexity *is* involved when we consider issues such as >> "reportablity" of consciousness, but the property of "having a subjective >> experience of being in the world" itself can be strongly argued to flow at >> the most basic level that allows differences. >> >> >> If there are no inputs from the world to perceive, e.g. a person in a >> sensory deprivation tank, or the 'perceptions' are very simple interactions, >> e.g. an orbital electron scattering a photon what will be the content of >> this subjective experience? >> >> Brent >> -- >> >> Hi Brent, >> >> How so? Do we humans have "orbital electron scattering" of photons as >> actual experiential content? >> >> >> No, but Craig thinks electrons do. > > > Only if electrons actually exist. I think there is a good chance that they > are only the shared experience of atoms. > >> >> >> It seems to me that all talk of "orbital electron scattering a photon" >> that is an abstract narrative that we talk to each other about and use to >> make predictions of phenomena that is within our sphere of mutual >> non-contradiction. >> >> >> Sure, the 3p story is one we create to explain intersubjective agreement >> about 1p experience. But my point is that consciousness is not basic, >> otherwise it wouldn't need external stimuli to avoid infinite loops. > > > I can't find anything about infinite loops associated with sensory > deprivation. I have never heard it mentioned and even the author of this > article > http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/the-nothing-eaters/Content?oid=5539022 > spent 90 to 2.5 hours in there with no mention of any such thing. > > Craig > >> >> Brent >> >> Our knowledge of physical laws, like all content of experience is 1p that >> could be defined as 3p iff possible. >> >> >> -- >> Onward! >> >> Stephen >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/BM2YYqCtqJEJ. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
