On 4/28/2021 3:17 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:51 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com
<mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 4:48 PM Terren Suydam
<terren.suy...@gmail.com <mailto:terren.suy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
/>>> testimony of experience constitutes facts about
consciousness./
>> Sure I agree, provided you firstaccept that consciousness is
the inevitable byproduct of intelligence
/> I hope the irony is not lost on anyone that you're
insisting on your theory of consciousness to make your case
that theories of consciousness are a waste of time./
If you believe in Darwinian evolution and if you believe you are
consciousthen given that evolution can't select for what it can't
see and natural selection can see intelligent behavior but it
can't see consciousness, can you give me an explanation of how
evolution managed to produce a conscious being such as yourself if
intelligence is not the inevitable byproduct of intelligence?
It's not an inevitable byproduct of intelligence if consciousness is
an epiphenomenon. As you like to say, consciousness may just be how
data feels as it's being processed. If so, that doesn't imply anything
about intelligence per se, beyond the minimum intelligence required to
process data at all... the simplest example being a thermostat.
That said, do you agree that testimony of experience constitutes facts
about consciousness?
It wouldn't if it were just random, like plucking passages out of
novels. We only take it as evidence of consciousness because there are
consistent patterns of correlation with what each of us experiences. If
every time you pointed to a flower you said "red", regardless of the
flower's color, a child would learn that "red" meant a flower and his
reporting when he saw red wouldn't be testimony to the experience of
red. So the usefulness of reports already depends on physical patterns
in the world. Something I've been telling Bruno...physics is necessary
to consciousness.
Brent
Terren
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