On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:37 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Finding a theory is not a problem, theories are a dime a dozen >>> consciousness theories doubly so. But how could you ever figure out if >>> your consciousness theory was correct? >>> >> >> The same way we figure out any theory is correct. >> > > In science we judge a theory by how well it can predict how something will > behave, but you are not interested in behavior you're interested in > consciousness, so I repeat how do you determine if consciousness theory > #6,948,603,924 > is correct? > > > >>If you're talking about observable characteristics then yes, but then >>> you're just talking about behavior not consciousness. >>> >> >> >> *>Sure, but we might be talking about the behavior of neurons, or their >> equivalent in an AI.* >> > > The behavior of neurons is not consciousness. > > > > *All of our disagreements come down to whether there are facts about >> consciousness. You don't think there are,* >> > > Not true, I know one thing from direct experience and that outranks even > the scientific method, I know that I am conscious. > I have a limit of how many times I will go around this circle. Let's just focus on whether we can make statements of fact about consciousness, which is what the other email thread does. > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>. > > . > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:37 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Finding a theory is not a problem, theories are a dime a dozen >>> consciousness theories doubly so. But how could you ever figure out if >>> your consciousness theory was correct? >>> >> >> The same way we figure out any theory is correct. >> > > In science we judge a theory by how well it can predict how something will > behave, but you are not interested in behavior you're interested in > consciousness, so I repeat how do you determine if consciousness theory > #6,948,603,924 > is correct? > > > >>If you're talking about observable characteristics then yes, but then >>> you're just talking about behavior not consciousness. >>> >> >> >> *>Sure, but we might be talking about the behavior of neurons, or their >> equivalent in an AI.* >> > > The behavior of neurons is not consciousness. > > > > *All of our disagreements come down to whether there are facts about >> consciousness. You don't think there are,* >> > > Not true, I know one thing from direct experience and that outranks even > the scientific method, I know that I am conscious. > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>. > > . > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMy3ZA9ZM5ruAUcw5MzAGeuKz9D2en%3DATcsybh6x-Bf%2Bs6sXhA%40mail.gmail.com.
