Mallard:
I agree with you 200%!
I have wasted all kinds of time trying to work with "UNIX"
tools that are outdated and clumsy, except for the geeks who
thought they were cute. They aren't.
I have been writing useful 'C' programs for 20+ years (obviously not in
UNIX/LINUX) and have never seen such lack of concern for "software
sability". - Yes, that's a real topic for commercial (bite my tongue)
software developers.
I am trying to find out whether my users (PhD & MD professionals) would
like Linux better than Windoz. I can definitely say, NOT TODAY! I too
have wasted time and money, really wanting this to be a successful
venture. I am no M$ fan. However, I've never had to wander arounf in
the dark so much using M$ products.
I still (silly me) believe that Linux 'could be' a better system - but,
not without a lot of effort directed toward usability.
Bill
Mallard wrote:
>
> Why did Mandrake pick the most geekyist editor for a setup that is
> suposto be easy for users?
>
> Anyone else seen this joke of a program?
>
> With Vim all you have to do is spend a half hour trying to get it give
> you help, then scroll all the way to the bottom of a super long
> whoopy-do list of usless keyboard commands that you will forget a day
> after you use them. Please get rid of it!
>
> Try ":qw" to get out and save what you just did WTF is that? Did a human
> design this? That is if you figure out how to get into "insert" mode and
> out of it again. GET RID OF THIS! TRASH IT! Ban it from the Net!
>
> Couldn't use "X" or "E" for exit or maybe cntl-X or Z, no - had to be
> big geeks and do it some STUPID way. What the hell were these guys
> thinking? Do they live on this planet? Why does Mandrake support this?
> Trash it!
>
> Yea, I am pissed. All I wanted to do is set up my cron file ("crontab
> -e") and that brings up the "default" editor. Searching all over to find
> where the "default" editor is set up, couldn't find it. Another waste of
> time.
>
> I don't know who thinks this is some great thing, WOW! It has zillions
> of features! It's not 1982 anymore, we have word processors that have a
> better human interface than terminals did, get a life geeks! (directed
> at the guys who wrote and keep updating "vi" and "vim")
>
> Why not make the default editor a nice simple one, like maybe pico,
> where the commands are shown. I can't see anyone using a command line
> editor for much else than a few simple changes, there are better simple
> editors in KDE and such. Damn that really pissed me off, and on top of
> that you guys changed from "vi" (same stupid geeky crap) to "vim" (worse
> geeky crap) in 7.1 did someone request this? I want to know who!
>
> Figure if someone is a big enough geek to want vim, let them spend their
> life away trying to figure it out (and how to change the default editor
> to do it).
>
> Thanks for the soapbox, I had my say (please forward this to whoever
> makes these program installation choices, if he's not a big geek that
> is).
>
> Sorry for the bandwith waste, had to get this off my chest. Anyone else
> feel like I do about this?
