--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > > it is a simple formula-- you either do what the master asks of 
> you 
> > > and gain what the master has to give, or you don't. it is not a 
> > > matter of sitting on the sidelenes chattering about it. the 
> choice 
> > > is a clear one, and if you don't accept it or accept it, what is 
> the 
> > > difference? unless you enjoy making up other people's minds for 
> them.
> > 
> > For me it is a matter of sitting on the sidelines and "chattering"
> > about it.  This is a discussion board where such topics are
> > "chattered" about for the purpose of increasing understanding.  
> 
> are you really seeking to increase your understanding here, or just 
> make your prejudices known?

I followed the guy for 15 years.  My studied personal opinion is far
from prejudice. It is post-judice.  We each express our POV here, just
as you have.  Giving it diminished labels like "chattering" and
"prejudice" reveals your own biases on this topic.  But no, I don't
have two choices, be obedient or not. I can also speak up against what
I feel is an unreasonable proposal for one human to make to another
without any restrictions, such as we have in the military.  Speaking
against such a misuse of our social bonds is an important issue for
me.  I didn't like it any better when Bush tried to run it on the
other countries of the world.  

> 
> You
> > are offering false alternatives.  
> 
> i don't understand how. the alternatives are either go with the 
> master thing, or don't. what else is there?

Discussing how we feel about it now.

> 
> And how exactly is my writing about
> > something "making up other people's minds for them?"  
> > 
> because it appears from what you have said that you strongly 
> disagree with what the Maharishi says wrt devotion to a master, and 
> by extension offer no viable explanation for those who choose to 
> follow him in that way, other than they are weak or flawed or 
> deluded in some way. at least that was the way i read it. 

Again with the false alternatives.  The people who follow him now are
welcome to give their opinion about the value they are getting.  I am
not speaking for them, but only for myself.  I have some understanding
of why people make this choice from having made it myself years ago. 
I am not unsympathetic to their decision.  My comments were aimed at
the person who set up the "with us or agin us" system in the first
place.  






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