--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: > > > On May 4, 2009, at 4:43 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On May 4, 2009, at 4:07 PM, sparaig wrote: > >> > >>> Again: you can't use studies from 25 years ago to refute research > >>> done just 2-3 > >>> years ago unless you're willing to discuss the more recent > >>> research's findings > >>> explicitly and directly, which is something neither you nor the > >>> researchers > >>> you quote have actually done. > >> > >> > >> Again, the reasons for this have already been pointed out to you in > >> previous posts. Please consult the FFL archives. I'm afraid we have > >> to > >> go with the good science in this case. These alpha coherence buzzings > >> are common to all relaxation response meditation forms. I have new > >> list of all these from the conference with HHDL this last weekend > >> which Herbert Benson spoke at (real nice guy!), I'll post it when I > >> get a chance. > >> > > > > Again: when researchers don't comment directly on research published > > in the > > past 2-3 years, you gotta wonder what is up. Fact is, the TM > > findings don't > > fit their pet theories so they ignore the findings. Goes both ways, > > of course. > > > Lawson, you're obsessing. This has already been explained to you a > number of times. > > The TM org has consistently put out crap research for decades. Just > because they re-spin the same schtick once again, which had been > previously dismissed using good, solid science, means legitimate > scientists will not need to take it seriously. So you can wish and > lament all you want and pray on your thick copy of the TM research > "bible", but I'm afraid that ship has already sailed. > > And in case you haven't been listening, the Hindu, Tibetan and Zen > Buddhist yogic explanations of the undermined of breath pauses in TM > have been made in the last couple of months. These are well known > pitfalls. Those who are experientially familiar with them via the TM > and TMSP program, and were able to move beyond them understand > directly what this means. > > Of course the good news is, some people are able to get good > relaxation response consistently from TM, even if it doesn't promote > higher states of consciousness demonstrably. And of course, even if he > was a charlatan yogi, we do owe some respect to Mahesh Varma for at > least helping popularize meditation research. There's some truly > amazing new research going on right now in Buddhist, Christian and > Hindu meditation. >
I guess this is one of those "we agree to disagree" moments. To me, your oh-so- cogent points sidestep what I say, and apparently you feel the same about what *I* am saying. O well... Lawson
