-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <fintlewoodle...@...> wrote:
> The bottom line then is whether or not anything unexplainable > is happening and they should be looking at it. Unless they > don't have the confidence in the technique........ The no-the-emperor-really-does-have-clothes, move here is to shift the claim to something even less provable, World Peace! So now it doesn't matter that no one is doing anything physically amazing. The other move is to the brain waves and the claim that this is making "flyers" better in a globally vague way. (Feel good, that's better, feel bad, that's better too. Just a little "purification" of the path. The path to where? To somewhere better, better health, better mind, better relationships, everything better! They have shifted the claim from an easily falsifiable hypothesis to one harder to falsify. Pretty slick. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > But here's where the "science" comes in. Several times > > > on this forum I have suggested an experiment that, > > > given my last-time-I-studied-it-back-in-high-school > > > knowledge of physics, would prove one way or another > > > whether the "flying" in Yogic Flying is due to anything > > > other than muscle exertion. > > > > Except that it would be an attempt to disprove a straw > > man, which isn't very scientific. > > > > Nobody denies muscular exertion is involved, at least > > these days. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > But here's where the "science" comes in. Several times > > > on this forum I have suggested an experiment that, > > > given my last-time-I-studied-it-back-in-high-school > > > knowledge of physics, would prove one way or another > > > whether the "flying" in Yogic Flying is due to anything > > > other than muscle exertion. > > > > Except that it would be an attempt to disprove a straw > > man, which isn't very scientific. > > > > Nobody denies muscular exertion is involved, at least > > these days. > > Don't they? How are we supposed to progress from stage 1 > (hopping) to stage 2 (floating) if some sort of extra > gravity defying process isn't involved? In his 'physics > of yogic flying' lecture Hagelin claims that the normal > run of events from the quantum level upwards that gives > us what we call reality, with it's tendency for things to > obey what appear to be immutable laws but are in fact > statistical probabilites, can be changed to favour things > that appear miraculous if you are operating from a level > beyond which gravity has it's effects. > > I think we have to assume that he believes this, or is at > least happy to be on record trying to convince others to > believe it. So I think it should be put to the test. A set > up like Barry's idea would do fine, it may not answer the > quantum question (which I think is BS of course) but it > would be interesting to see if anything unusual at all is > happening. If they were really interested in what science > can do for the age of enlightenment they would be doing > just this. If they havn't already. I remember someone in > the TMO saying that attempts to measure brainwaves while > hopping are fatally flawed because the sudden movement has > a much larger effect on measured activity than doing the > sutra, so how than can claim that maximum coherence is > achieved at lift off is beyond me. > > The bottom line then is whether or not anything unexplainable > is happening and they should be looking at it. Unless they > don't have the confidence in the technique........ >
