--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <fintlewoodle...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > But here's where the "science" comes in. Several times > > > on this forum I have suggested an experiment that, > > > given my last-time-I-studied-it-back-in-high-school > > > knowledge of physics, would prove one way or another > > > whether the "flying" in Yogic Flying is due to anything > > > other than muscle exertion. > > > > Except that it would be an attempt to disprove a straw > > man, which isn't very scientific. > > > > Nobody denies muscular exertion is involved, at least > > these days. > > Don't they? How are we supposed to progress from stage 1 > (hopping) to stage 2 (floating) if some sort of extra > gravity defying process isn't involved?
They aren't claiming anybody's doing anything but hopping yet. In his 'physics > of yogic flying' lecture Hagelin claims that the normal > run of events from the quantum level upwards that gives > us what we call reality, with it's tendency for things to > obey what appear to be immutable laws but are in fact > statistical probabilites, can be changed to favour things > that appear miraculous if you are operating from a level > beyond which gravity has it's effects. > > I think we have to assume that he believes this, or is at > least happy to be on record trying to convince others to > believe it. So I think it should be put to the test. It isn't *happening* yet. How can you put something that isn't happening to the test? > I remember someone in > the TMO saying that attempts to measure brainwaves while > hopping are fatally flawed because the sudden movement has > a much larger effect on measured activity than doing the > sutra, so how than can claim that maximum coherence is > achieved at lift off is beyond me. *AT* liftoff, at the instant before the body starts moving. > The bottom line then is whether or not anything unexplainable > is happening and they should be looking at it. Unless they > don't have the confidence in the technique........ I'm not sure what else they could test at this stage. The *experience*, or at least my experience, is that something else *is* going on, but I have no idea what. The most I can say is that hopping feels involuntary, like a sneeze, and that it feels as though it's triggered by an impulse generated by the sutra (or in a group setting, sometimes by an impulse generated by somebody else doing the sutra). Whether that has anything to do with "coherence" of brain waves, I couldn't say. I don't know whether it has anything to do with levitation either. And I don't have a clue how you could test it. There are other associated odd experiences, including of "bubbling bliss." One of mine is that "I" am much bigger than my body, as if I'm watching this little body hop up and down in the middle of a sort of big cloud of "me." Another is that sometimes at the apex of a hop, it becomes absolutely crystal-clear for the barest instant that levitation is occurring--just for that instant--and that if I could maintain that experience, I wouldn't come down. But I can't, so I do. It isn't a *thought* but an experience; I don't know how to explain it any better than that, but it's very distinct. It's more than simply not feeling the pull of gravity at that instant. It's more like being "in the zone," when everything seems to be working together without effort, part of that "everything" being the impulse generated by the sutra. Anyway, when somebody insists nothing out of the ordinary is happening, I can only say that's not my experience; and that if they were to have the same experience, they would have to acknowledge that at least an out-of-the-ordinary *experience* is taking place. Maybe that's all it is. But I doubt it's all just "suggestion." I don't know how you *could* "suggest" some of the experiences when they're virtually impossible to describe.
