--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti2218411" <kc21d@...> wrote: > > Cognitive therapy is based on the perspective that what a person is thinking > directly affects their mood and behavior.Tx consists of an attempt to help a > person recognize whether the thought they are having > e.g. "my future is hopeless" is connected to their depressed mood Through a > a process of examination the thought is recognized as not rational/logical > and consequently can be changed into a more rational one e.g " I am facing > difficult problems but with help and effort I can cope with these problems" > .This process does require a certain amount of psychological mindedness but > not more than what most people have.Whether being "awake' would help or not I > think would depend on how you define"awake". >
Thanks, shanti. It's good to know that being "Awake" isn't a prerequisite for having common sense. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > RG:> > * * * I am so sorry for the disconnect, Judy! I don't really > > > > see where I am asking you to "see" much of anything; I am > > > > just trying to point out where our suffering lies... > > > > > JS: You don't see the disconnect between what comes before > > > the semicolon in what you just wrote and what comes after > > > it? > > > > RG: Yes, I was aware you might take it as such, but I thought I would try > > again. So let me get this straight; are you saying that you equate > > sensitivity to your own bodymind and the ability to tell how it feels (or > > how you feel) when you think a given thought, with being Awake, and that > > not being Awake you aren't able -- though you have honestly given it a try > > -- to tell when holding a specific thought makes you feel good or bad? > > > > > > in lies; in our resistance to the way things are in this > > > > moment: how we feel stressed, frustrated, worried, heavy, > > > > tense, angry, contracted, or whatever when we are > > > > "shoulding" all over ourselves or others :-) > > > > > > > > I don't know; it would seem to me that virtually all of us, > > > > "Awake" or not, could comprehend this if they have the > > > > ability to notice how their own bodymind feels to them when > > > > they hold a given thought. This stuff is making a great deal > > > > of sense to many thousands of "ordinary" people on this > > > > planet; > > > > > JS: Is it up for a vote? > > > > RG: I think actually it's already been voted on by the hundreds of > > thousands of people who have read and enjoyed Tolle, or watched him on > > Oprah, or read Byron Katie, and so on. I have no doubt that both of these > > authors will make no sense to many millions if not billions more, however. > > > > > do we really think all of them are classically > > > > "Awake"? I have no clue, nor do I really care. It's enough > > > > that it seems to work for them. > > > > > > > > However, if there are, say, Jungian personality types that > > > > are congenitally unable to do this kind of work, that would > > > > be very good to know! > > > > > JS: Are you aware of how pissed off you are at my responses? And > > > are you aware of how much "shoulding" you're doing, even if > > > you aren't using the word? > > > > > * * * Well, I certainly am no stranger to anger or to shoulds; I have found > > an astounding abundance of both in me, and would and will be most happy to > > find more, as every one I find untangles into that much more delight! But > > no, not right now; I am not aware of any in particular. I am feeling > > excited and a bit skeptical, though; I am trying to understand where you're > > coming from -- if you are a whole new kind of being, so to speak! > > >
