--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" <maskedzebra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ann and Buck, > > > > > > > > > I'm baffled by all this. I was totally out of the Dome for 7 years, > > > 2003 to 2010. During that time I openly participated in lots of stuff > > > in FF, including Waking Down in Mutuality for about 3 years. But I had > > > no trouble getting back into the Dome. No interrogation room, etc. > > > Also through Amma's org, I've been having planetary pujas done for a > > > while now plus use her jyotishis. Movement got too expensive and wanted > > > a person to supply family info also. Too much of a hassle. And even > > > when I was a grad student on campus, I was open about participating in > > > David Deida tantric workshops. Again no interrogation room, no subtle > > > threats, etc. > > > > > > > > > All I can figure is that they let me alone because I'm just a sidha, not > > > a gov. But I don't know for sure. Now that I'm back in the Dome, > > > sometimes friends on campus aren't as friendly as they were. Sometimes > > > that hurts. But I sort of understand. And I have friends in town. > > > TSR dontcha know. Town Super Radiance. And jokingly means "taking > > > seminars regularly." OTOH, truth in jest, etc.  > > > Share in town and in Dome... > > > > Dear Share, > > > > My take on all this policing of persons who go outside of the spiritual > > resources sanctioned by the TM Movement is pretty simple. Those who devise > > and enforce these rules (which originated in Maharishi himself) are going > > by their first experience of what TM and Maharishi represented: This is The > > Way; there is no other way that compares to the TM-Maharishi way. > > > > TM is defined as the simplest and most natural technique to take one to the > > deepest level of one's very beingthere is no other practice which is > > defined mechanically and objectively such as to afford the most efficient > > way of transcendingthere are no competitors here. > > > > The most profound realization one has when one is made a teacher of TM by > > Maharishi, is: this is It. There isn't anything else. And if TM cannot do > > what it says it doestake one to the level of pure consciousnessthen we > > are selling a product which does not do what we say it does. > > > > Any compromise on this policy of guarding "the purity of the teaching" will > > mean the gradual corruption of TM and the dilution of Maharishi's Teaching, > > That is one thing that Maharishi was able to do that no other teacher in > > our lifetime has been able to do: Make us experience that he was the very > > best, the only one, and that what he was giving to us was coming directly > > from reality or God or the source of creative intelligence. > > > > Any flexibility, reasonableness, tolerance here just makes no sense at > > allunless the people at the top are giving up their claim to the > > exclusiveness of TM as being the most beautiful way to transcend that is > > available anywhere. I refer readers (who have done TM) to their first TM > > experience. How it happened; what the process was like; how they > > experienced the mantra working inside of them. The very miraculous > > innocenceand profundityof this experience signifies: No competition will > > be allowedbecause what could produce an experience equal to the one you > > first had when you started TM? > > > > I don't say the policy is justified on the basis of TM being what Maharishi > > made us believe it was, and what our experiencesat least for > > awhileconfirmed, because of course I don't think that TM and Maharishi > > have continued to get the grace and support which would indicate that > > reality and God still think they are It. But in terms of the truth of one's > > devotion to one's Master, and Maharishi brilliant and unchallengeable > > authority to persuade us of his preeminent position and status in > > Creationand his gift to us in the form of his spiritual technologywhat > > the TMO is doing in being careful about vetting persons who meditate in the > > Dome is not only reasonable, it is entirely truthful to their conscience, > > their understanding of the will of Maharishi, and their own sense of what > > is the right thing to do. > > > > This behaviour on the part of those who wield this authority over > > meditators is irreproachable in my estimation. Of course if these persons > > believed that there was another path to God, to the Self, to enlightenment, > > then the enforcement of these policies would be subject to moral scrutiny. > > Inside the context of what they deem as truth and the means of not > > betraying the wishes of their Master, they are behaving entirely > > appropriatelyThere simply is no argument to be made against them > > whatsoever. > > > > > MZ- > This is some excellent writing, it captures the TM tru-believer mind. It is > an element of TM. You don't live here and you left the movement a long time > ago. There are really very few true-believers left though there are still > some lot of people interested in meditating in the Domes who meditate in a > fear of the guidelines. This hostage hold of true-believer preservationists > is a sad influence on the Dome numbers that does not need to be there. The > true-believers could also not confuse the Dome admission guidelines for the > teaching. Maharishi changed the guidelines all the time as need would be. > The TM-Rajas were left with that responsibility too. They have the power and > authority to administrate as needs be. The Dome numbers are in a jeopardy to > their guidelines. > -Buck
Dear Buck, I am sorry, but you will have to translate this for me. I can't follow your argument, or the point you are making. Are you saying that Bevan, or Tony, or JHagelin, or Keith Wallace, or Craig Pearson, or Bobby Roth no longer hold Maharishi in the same reverence and obedience as they once did when they were first made teachers of TM? Are you saying there are no innocent and sincere true believers left in the Movement? Do you think your own attitude and orientation which would make other spiritual teachers in the world, living or dead, necessary to enhance or augment the positive effects of the TM-Sidhi program represents the standard consensus among those most keen on spreading TM and making Maharishi's Teaching available to the world? For me, Buck, it is an either or thing: no spiritual technique or context in my lifetimemaybe in any person's lifetimeproduced the sense of Mother is at Home, and Support of Nature. Only TM did this. It created, on some level, the biggest buzz in Creation in the last 60 years. Nothing has come close to it. These persons I mentioned, they knew Maharishi personally, and they were aware of the power and majesty of his consciousness and his bearing. They knew him to possess some extraordinary form of grace. Now if some document could be found which Guru Dev had signed stipulating that anyone who practises TM and follows Maharishi must not experiment or associate with any other spiritual tradition, would that convince you of the validity of the Dome policies as to who gets a badge and what behaviour puts into jeopardy a person's Dome privileges? If you are going to do something about this, you have to put your concern into another gear altogether. You have to grapple with all the arguments, take on the tensions of those who oppose your view, and from there attempt some form of argument which is inclusive of the argument of Bevan: you must meet him at the very strongest point of his own position on this matter. This you have not done. You seem both sorrowful and fatalistic at the same time. TM has not delivered on Maharishi's promise to all of us. That is why people turn to other teachers and other techniques. But still the leaders in the TMO must honour the will of their dead Master; to betray his wishes it tantamount to spurning him and throwing over his divine authority. If that is ever done, it is the end of TM and the death of the reputation of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: awoelflebater <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:02 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by > > > > > > the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with > > > > > > non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome badge away, > > > > > > again. It is still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; > > > > > > they have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome > > > > > > meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs > > > > > > are part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement > > > > > > joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by using the > > > > > > dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long interview in > > > > > > the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see > > > > > > will adjudicate my case. "We have something in our files, tell us > > > > > > about it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] find out > > > > > you are using non-approved "services?" Is there a supergrass in > > > > > FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? > > > > > > > > > > Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. Really, what > > > > > is the point of all this if this is the sort of "positivity" that > > > > > TM creates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German Secret Police > > > > Stasi doing case work. They work it all the time. Search local papers > > > > for leads, the internet, make interviews, hear conversations in the > > > > Domes or meal hall on campus or around, some people also feel it their > > > > duty to tell them things, and then they squeeze people. They make > > > > files and network the files. These are TM career people who are very > > > > good at what they do. These are apparatchiks who are unquestioningly > > > > loyal subordinates. For them it is about enforcing the guidelines. > > > > If they had better guidelines they would enforce them too. It is a lot > > > > like being confronted with that German officer investigator actor in > > > > Inglorious Bastards. > > > > http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html > > > > > > > > That's the course office and the system that set it up. Evidently it > > > > is the best we have to work with. > > > > > > > > > > Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate in the > > > Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret police. I had no > > > idea. If any of this had been going on back in 1976-1980 I would have > > > been out of there, real fast. I guess what you gain is worth this kind of > > > terrible, freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this for real? I haven't been > > > paying attention or following any of this at FFL so I am a bit shocked > > > now that I actually read one of these posts. I guess you need the > > > collective group energy that the dome provides when you do your siddhis? > > > You couldn't just sort of hop around in your own home and essentially be > > > flipping these Nazi's a bird at the same time as you burn your dome > > > badge? Jeezuz, I would love to be in Fairfield just to give these > > > assholes a run for their money. I could think of all sorts of fun > > > scenarios because, frankly, I wouldn't give a damn and just the > > > opportunity to raise a couple of hackles on these guy's backs > > > would be worth the price of admission. Good luck with that. But > > > remember, certain things are only worth so much boot licking. > > > > > >
