I disagree that TM is mindfullness, and I disagree because of Marshy's intent
and belief. I am of the opinion that he did indeed subscribe to the traditional
and possibly superstitious belief that the mantras he was handing out were the
names of or sounds associated with various gods and goddesses of the Hindu
religious belief system, AND that the PRACTICE of TM using those mantras was
DESIGNED to draw the favor and energy of those gods to the mind/body of the
meditator. That was his belief, and he had no problems lying to anyone about
the practice to get converts, make money and be held up as a god man himself.
This is the effect of the mantras from the "master" who gave them out. It was
certainly Marshy's belief that this was the effect and I think it was his
intention that this would be the effect in each meditator. He was by all
accounts a devout Hindu and many have said that he deemed Hinduism to be
superior to all other religions. I think he was laughing up his dhoti sleeve at
all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and everyone else for doing a meditation that
was placating/flattering the Hindu gods/goddesses. Thus it could not be a
practice of mindfulness.
It can of course be argued that unless the meditator knew that's what the
mantras are for and willing participated in them with that understanding and
intent then it doesn't count as a Hindu devotional practice, but I think that's
like eating steak and believing it broccoli.
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On Fri, 5/2/14, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com <curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR
afterall
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 2, 2014, 6:41 PM
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<punditster@...> wrote :
On
5/2/2014 9:45 AM,
curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
I
am open to Maharishi's perspective that in fact I am so
habituated
from his practice that I am not actually practicing a
mindfulness
practice at all. But my experience leads me to believe that
I am
having a different subjective experience so I am working
with what
I have.
>
This becomes very simple when you realize that TM IS
mindfullness. Anything can be an object of
meditation
- a thought, a sound, a mantra or an image or just being
aware of
breathing in and out. The idea in both is to transcend
thinking and
to get beyond discursive reasoning.
C: I think we have been around
this May pole before Richard. I am inclined to believe that
there are valid distinctions both experientially as well as
physiologically between different types of meditation. It
isn't that your comparison isn't valid, it may be on
the level you are focusing on. But it misses distinctions
that do matter. We are focusing on different aspects of the
same thing.
Personally,
internally there are some differences that make a difference
in how I feel in different kinds of meditation and in
activity afterwards. I would not say that I ever transcend
thinking, I would say that my relationship to my own
thinking shifts. So I don't hold transcending thinking
as a goal for either my TM or mindfulness.
Getting beyond discursive
reasoning seems like a result of most of the the things I do
with music or exercise so I guess meditation does that too.
But it is not a rare commodity in my life so I wouldn't
meditate just for that result.
But if your point is that there are a lot of
ways to shift attention into a different style of
functioning I am with you. It seems like there are and I am
curious about how they differ as well as what is the same.
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