At 6:10 AM 06/23/02, Michael Edwards wrote:

>     It seems that you can hide any element of notation in Finale, so that
>it is
>not visible in a score, but still works in the logic of the program; and that,
>on top of the hidden symbol, you can have something else which is visible but
>has no effect in the logic of the program.  Right?

Essentially, yes.  Many items, including all the most useful ones, have a
feature allowing them to be hidden directly. Some other things cannot be
hidden so easily, but you can usually manage it with a little creativity.

Roughly the same applies to visible items which have no effect. You can
always just plop it on as a text expression, but that can be clumsy if the
layout rearranges, so often you'll want to look for another method that's
not quite so far removed from the internal logic of the program.

>     If so, then I suppose you'd use a small time signature (such as 1/4) which
>fits evenly into both the ones you want to have running simultaneously,
>hide the
>1/4, and write on top of it the time signatures you want to show.  And you just
>then hide the bar-lines which don't belong to the visible time signatures.

Essentially, yes.  But instead of writing a different time signature as an
independent element, you would define the 1/4 signature to display as
something else.

>     That seems to solve the problem - or have I missed something?  Perhaps it
>does sound a bit too easy.

It's pretty easy once you know the trick (and this list is a good place to
ask about tricks).

>     Do these staff styles allow you to hide particular symbols
>individually, or
>only allow you to set a general rule which decides automatically what is hidden
>and what is not, and then you can't make exceptions?

Staff styles set up a logical rules for what is done automatically. There
is a finite framework for what can be done with a staff style but it's a
pretty broad array. You can make exceptions to the staff style.

Everything that can be done with a staff style can be done individually on
an item-by-item basis. The point of the staff style is to save you the
effort by automating it. The staff style can be applied on a
measure-by-measure basis, so if you want the style rules for every measure
but one, you just apply it to the whole piece and then turn it off for the
one exception bar.

This is pretty much the same concept as a style in something like Microsoft
Word. You can go through the document and change any word to italic, or a
different typesize, or whatever. But if you assign these changes to a style
definition, you can apply the entire style to a passage all at once; and if
you choose to change the style definition later, the change will
automatically be applied to the passage assigned that style.

mdl


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