At 2:18 PM 09/20/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >I don't see how that furthers anything whatsoever. It isn't poetry, >so there are no natural line breaks, and since there's repetition of >every single word, many times each, there is no comprehensibility to >it. > >In short, it has meaning and comprehensibility only in the context of >the score.
Nevertheless, I find it more efficient to type it in all at once and then use click-assignment to place the syllables in the score. There are two tasks here: One is typing, and the other is positioning your cursor to the right place. Personally, I can work more efficiently if the two tasks are separated, rather than bouncing back and forth between the two. Your mileage may vary. >Verses actually *do* have a real use and function. In a strophic >piece, you will, in fact, have multiple lines of lyrics in any one >vocal line. That's what a verse is for. It is not for segregating out >lyrics according to which staff they are attached to. The verse is useful for both. The user can choose to group his verses however he or she chooses, and certain useful functions will depend on the groupings. If you like having all your lyrics in a single box, fine. I'm just saying that the verses is a way to avoid some of the problems people are describing. >In short, you're using screw driver to hammer a nail. No. You're picking up a tool with a big flat head great for whacking nails and you're saying, "What a shitty screwdriver this is." If a tool is useful, use it. I don't care what its named or what your teleological analysis of it is. >If the piece >were actually strophic, your approach could potentially cause no end >of problems if you wanted the verses automatically numbered. No, it causes no problems at all. I do multi-voice strophic works all the time. Do I need to remind you which of us has been successfully using the lyric system for eight years and which of us got into a pickle? Yes, yes, I know, that's because the system is stupid and I've been trained to be stupid along with it. Fine. But when the subject turns to how to get good results from the system as it exists, don't lecture me about which approach works and which doesn't when you only discovered lyrics for the first time last week. For that discussion, I'll listen to Hal or Linda or Jon, but not you. >I don't know. What is the point of your questions? Your first sentence answers the second. >If you're going to enter all the text, with repetititions and >punctuation, for each individual staff, then other than the problems >of the disconnect between the UI and the underlying text stream, I >see no reason not to use TYPE IN SCORE. Heavens, how can you possibly >keep track of where you are when typing out the original lyrics when >you don't have the notes of the musical text to guide you? Sounds >like a huge, huge headache whenever the text is massively repetitious >(as in the Requiem). Hmm, maybe this is a function of being a singer. I find this is no headache at all, and I've dealt with texts even more repetitious than the Requiem. Perhaps others have different experience, but I simply cannot use type-in-score without looking at the screen. It's too easy for me to lose track of which note my cursor is on without looking up to check from time to time. When I enter lyrics in the Edit Lyrics window, I can enter the entire text with complete accuracy while keeping my eye on the printed page, just as I would do if I were transcribing plain text. For me, that is easier and more efficient, and it feels most natural. Then, when I've entered all the text, I can click-assign it to the music, which also goes fairly quickly. For me, the entire procedure is faster than using type-in-score would be. Apparently most other users prefer type-in-score. I have no problem with that. >Well, if it hadn't been for the copy default that creates mirrors for >the lyrics, I never would have run into a problem. Yes, I think you're right. This could have been averted if Finale put up a dialog box, saying something like: | You are copying music that contains lyrics. Do you want to... | * Duplicate the lyric text | O Make duplicate assignments to the same text | O Don't copy the lyrics at all >As long as I avoid that, I think I'll not have any further problems >with lyrics. Yes, I think so, too. >I intend to continue using TYPE IN SCORE, because IT MAKES THE MOST >MUSICAL SENSE. The advantages of your approach seem very, very meager >to me. Fine. We feel differently about that. No doubt there are other types of music which we input differently as well. mdl _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
