Hi,I usua Lly end up using one that is at forehead height. I don't know how they expect you to walk with a caine at your breastbone either, and you hear of mobility instrictures who religiously preach the exact heigh, material, and tip for a caine.
Best Regards, Hayden -----Original Message----- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:49 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! The issue is that they?? think that they?? now we?? know what's best for us. Other instances abound. It used to be that mobility instructors insisted on giving a cane that comes up to the user's breastbone. I stride when I walk, and those short sticks don't give me enough warning of a curb. The instructors told me that I walk too fast. My response? The cane is to match my walking pace, not set it. To walk at my? pace, I need a 60-inch cane, and I am 71 inches tall. They! do not know what's best for me. I, on the other hand, do. This is just one reason that I am, and have been, a dog guide user since 1977, and only use a cane when! I! must! But the same principle applies. In a lot of cases, it's the customer or client, not the agency, who knows what they want and why, and it's about time the agencies start listening. --- "Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Peterson" <bpeterson2...@cableone.net> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! > That's why, to get a little bit off topic here (and for that I apologize > in advance), I don't like a lot of the voc rehab agencies in the US. They > teach their clients to use JAWS, which in itself is all well and good. > Where the problem lies is that they don't necessarily let said clients > know that there are in fact other options available even if they do know > about them. I got the vocal equivalent of a raised eyebrow from my rehab > counselor when I told her I'd switched over to Window-Eyes and have been > quite happy with it now for about four years. And I've gotten quite a bit > more than a vocal raised eyebrow from others, both in voc rehab and not, > as though I'd committed some inexcusable transgression. So I've > experienced some of what Dark has. > They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! > > >> This is where getting the word out about what's available come in. On >> the other hand, if an organization has a closed mind, and they ignore >> anything that does not fit their? concepts of what blind people can and >> cannot do, there's a problem, and it's not up to the game developers to >> solve. It's up to professionals and customers, and here's what I think >> is the key, who know what they're talking about through hands-on >> experience, to work on opening the closed minds. For an organization to >> deny, through ignorance, the existence of developer's products that do >> not fit into their mold of blind people is reprehensibly inexcusable. >> >> --- >> "Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord." >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! >> >> >>> Hi Jeremy. >>> >>> To answer your question, Azabat's aime of providing games for computer >>> novices is not made expressly clear on the site, though it does appearr >>> in their faq and other documentation, see http://www.azabat.co.uk/ to >>> see for yourself. >>> >>> This issue however is compounded by the fact that according to the Rnib, >>> azabat are the only! company producing audio comptuer games, indeed what >>> brought Azabat back to my mind was that the lady doing guide dog >>> training at the same time I am, ---- who worked as a professional >>> programmer and database designer before losing her site was asking about >>> audio computer games and told only Azabat existed, and was indeed quite >>> frustrated sinse she was previously a pretty high capacity gamer. >>> >>> I know the company Gamevial based in scotland were told a very similar >>> thing when they initially asked the Rnib about making some of the web >>> flash games they make accessible, ---- indeed until I phoned them and >>> had words they didn't even think anyone had attempted audio games that >>> moved from a first person perspective, ---- though being as they had >>> quite limited exposure from the Rnib and from others thought that the >>> experiment they tried failed. >>> >>> Beware the grue! >>> >>> Dark. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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