Personally, I’d appreciate it if everyone involved in this discussion decided that all parties are equally correct and expanded the scope of what they were paying attention to so as to dissolve any apparent contradictions.
All i know about this situation I’ve learned from this thread, but, for example… Justin reviewed this release candidate and found a lot of files that appear to not adhere to normal apache standards for license headers. Apparently this has been discussed extensively in the past, including with Justin, but for this review apparently he wasn’t appreciating that context. Project members think these files are just fine for various reasons, apparently documented in Jira and the mailing lists. If I put myself in Justin’s place, I think, perhaps,…. I’d like to review this release candidate, perhaps as an introduction to getting more involved in the project…. hmmm this is odd, this appears to violate what I expect for what appears to be source code even it’s for tests…. what’s going on? If I put myself in a long-time project member’s place, I think,…. we’ve dealt with all these licensing issues, it’s right there in lira, let’s try a relasse…. From my own point of view, I think it would be nice to be able to review a release candidate without being a long-term project member with extensive historical knowledge. Perhaps a review guide pointing out deviations from what most people expect from apache projects and why they are fine would help. Thanks David Jencks > On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 6:26 PM Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org > <mailto:wadechand...@apache.org>> > wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 22:34 Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The Netbeans RC is an interesting one as they: >>> - Have made several releases before. >>> - Have been given advice from the IPMC on serious issues and what to fix. >>> - Looks like nothing has been done to correct those issues. >>> >>> Now I know we’re trying to be more lenient on releases but we still have >>> to draw the line somewhere and this is not their first release. The the >>> binary in source code, license issues copyright issues on the cute cat >> and >>> rabbit photos [1] probably mean that they cannot put that release in the >>> ASF distribution area even if they do get 3 +1s without legal and infra >>> approval. >>> >>> What do other IPMC members think? >>> >> >> Interestingly though there is a Jira issue related to these items of which >> you speak, and there has been mentor input on them; have you covered these >> with our mentors as an example? > > > > +1. Indeed, this "looks like nothing has been done to correct these issues" > is false, insulting, and misleading. > > I believe I need to explicitly need to say these things since Justin so > explicitly calls out the NetBeans RC here. > > I could equally well say a couple of other things, but won't, since I > respect Justin and we're all striving for the same goals and this kind of > tone isn't what I want to be involved with. > > Gj > > > > >> This thread seems a little (maybe quite) >> premature; maybe some disconnect. This discussion actually seems more >> appropriate in the NetBeans channels, and in fact please see the referenced >> issues and comments in those channels including release 10 and the one this >> is related to, 11, where addressing these issues has been specifically >> discussed with you Justin. >> >> Thanks >> >> Wade
