Hi - > On Mar 30, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote: > > +1 Thanks for these sensible words and probably what comes closest to what > you're looking for is the Rat exclusions file, i.e., these are the > deviations in terms of licensing in relation to what most people expect > from Apache projects and why things are fine despite that: > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt
I was just writing about that: Well - it is certainly possible to investigate history of the rat exclude file (or any other). https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/commits/master/nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt From there one can follow on to JIRA issues, etc. Choices were made. There is a lot to unpack and none of it looks thoughtless. So, if one is going to take the excursion then you have to go all the way! BTW - All four of your mentors: Ate Douma (ate), Bertrand Delacretaz (bdelacretaz), Daniel Gruno (humbedooh), Mark Struberg (struberg) are experienced and well respected. Regards, Dave > > If more or clearer descriptions are needed to the above, let us know, we're > very happy to add any and all info needed. > > Gj > > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:44 PM David Jencks <david.a.jen...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Personally, I’d appreciate it if everyone involved in this discussion >> decided that all parties are equally correct and expanded the scope of what >> they were paying attention to so as to dissolve any apparent contradictions. >> >> All i know about this situation I’ve learned from this thread, but, for >> example… >> Justin reviewed this release candidate and found a lot of files that >> appear to not adhere to normal apache standards for license headers. >> Apparently this has been discussed extensively in the past, including with >> Justin, but for this review apparently he wasn’t appreciating that context. >> Project members think these files are just fine for various reasons, >> apparently documented in Jira and the mailing lists. >> If I put myself in Justin’s place, I think, perhaps,…. I’d like to review >> this release candidate, perhaps as an introduction to getting more involved >> in the project…. hmmm this is odd, this appears to violate what I expect >> for what appears to be source code even it’s for tests…. what’s going on? >> If I put myself in a long-time project member’s place, I think,…. we’ve >> dealt with all these licensing issues, it’s right there in lira, let’s try >> a relasse…. >> From my own point of view, I think it would be nice to be able to review a >> release candidate without being a long-term project member with extensive >> historical knowledge. Perhaps a review guide pointing out deviations from >> what most people expect from apache projects and why they are fine would >> help. >> >> Thanks >> David Jencks >> >>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Geertjan Wielenga >> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 6:26 PM Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org >> <mailto:wadechand...@apache.org>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 22:34 Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> The Netbeans RC is an interesting one as they: >>>>> - Have made several releases before. >>>>> - Have been given advice from the IPMC on serious issues and what to >> fix. >>>>> - Looks like nothing has been done to correct those issues. >>>>> >>>>> Now I know we’re trying to be more lenient on releases but we still >> have >>>>> to draw the line somewhere and this is not their first release. The the >>>>> binary in source code, license issues copyright issues on the cute cat >>>> and >>>>> rabbit photos [1] probably mean that they cannot put that release in >> the >>>>> ASF distribution area even if they do get 3 +1s without legal and infra >>>>> approval. >>>>> >>>>> What do other IPMC members think? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Interestingly though there is a Jira issue related to these items of >> which >>>> you speak, and there has been mentor input on them; have you covered >> these >>>> with our mentors as an example? >>> >>> >>> >>> +1. Indeed, this "looks like nothing has been done to correct these >> issues" >>> is false, insulting, and misleading. >>> >>> I believe I need to explicitly need to say these things since Justin so >>> explicitly calls out the NetBeans RC here. >>> >>> I could equally well say a couple of other things, but won't, since I >>> respect Justin and we're all striving for the same goals and this kind of >>> tone isn't what I want to be involved with. >>> >>> Gj >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> This thread seems a little (maybe quite) >>>> premature; maybe some disconnect. This discussion actually seems more >>>> appropriate in the NetBeans channels, and in fact please see the >> referenced >>>> issues and comments in those channels including release 10 and the one >> this >>>> is related to, 11, where addressing these issues has been specifically >>>> discussed with you Justin. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Wade >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
